Effects of Alternate WW1 Alliances

What would be the effect of these WW1 alliances.

Britain
Germany
United States
Italy
Portugal

against

Russia
France
Austria-Hungary
Japan
Greece

I know these are improbable, but I'm just wondering the effects if they did exist.
 
Well, the final and most important touch to the alliance system IOTL,
the Etente Cordian, was forged as late as 1904.
Moreover, for a war you might also need cause of confict, not only
alliances. Most of the "gunpowder" in OTL was also grinded in later years.


Of course you are right: In all likelihood you would need a PoD before 1900.
But I understand that you don't care how this situation can come about,
and you only want to discuss the military consequences.
So I came up with my suggestion ...
 
Well, the final and most important touch to the alliance system IOTL,
the Etente Cordian, was forged as late as 1904.
Moreover, for a war you might also need cause of confict, not only
alliances. Most of the "gunpowder" in OTL was also grinded in later years.


Of course you are right: In all likelihood you would need a PoD before 1900.
But I understand that you don't care how this situation can come about,
and you only want to discuss the military consequences.
So I came up with my suggestion ...
Yes, but the PoD is still before 1900, which makes this the same as asking about the effects of a CSA victory in the 1900s.
 
But further to your question:

I assume that the war starts everywhere at the same time and
that armament of the individual countries is as IOTL as of 1914.

France will fall relatively soon because Britain and Germany can
invade it from the Atlantic coast.
Combined Russian and Austrian attacks will be a major problem for Germany,
in particular when the front can be prolonged by (otherwise secondary) Italy.

So Japan may annoy Russia a bit - most probably Russia would not
engage too much in the East.

You assume a neutral Spain and a neutral Ottomanian Empire?
The Greece does not count at all!
Not that it would make a lot of a difference if it had a boundary with Austria ...
 
France is so fucked.

What happens with Belgium ITTL or does Germany invade France from the sea?

I could see Portugal picking up some claims in Africa maybe.
 
France is so fucked.

What happens with Belgium ITTL or does Germany invade France from the sea?

I could see Portugal picking up some claims in Africa maybe.

I'm not sure what would happen to Belgium actually.

But France is screwed in the most delightful way possibly.
 
Well the UK / USA / Germany alliance will have unquestioned control of the seas. So Frances empire is stuffed.

It would also allow Germany to divert resources that in OTL went into dreadnought production into other, more efficient areas.

I'd think France would get knocked out quickly, Italy too as the Med, would be at the mercy of the Royal Navy. Then it depends on the abilities of the Russians and Austro Hungarians. If by this point you have British Empire and American soldiers arriving in Germany, even if they made spectacular initial gains I doubt it'd be enough...
 
Well the UK / USA / Germany alliance will have unquestioned control of the seas. So Frances empire is stuffed.

It would also allow Germany to divert resources that in OTL went into dreadnought production into other, more efficient areas.

I'd think France would get knocked out quickly, Italy too as the Med, would be at the mercy of the Royal Navy. Then it depends on the abilities of the Russians and Austro Hungarians. If by this point you have British Empire and American soldiers arriving in Germany, even if they made spectacular initial gains I doubt it'd be enough...

Except Italy is on the side of the UK.
 
Except Italy is on the side of the UK.

Either, my mistake

or

I assumed they would make their customary switcheroo once it kicked off...


:D


In that case id imagine post fall of France the Brits and the Italians do their best to open up a second front against Austria and make quick work of the Greeks to launch further attacks past them into Russia after taking control of the seas...
 
Well the Brits had historical control of the Ionian Islands. Perhaps they could attack Crete and Rhodes and some of the other Greek islands from Egypt, with Italy assisting in Albania? And maybe the Ottomans could be talked in to the conflict?
 
Either, my mistake

or

I assumed they would make their customary switcheroo once it kicked off...


:D

Hm, interesting that I had the same misconception as well ...
Are you sure the opening posting has not changed?


I wanted to add: Given the armament of OTL in 1914, with an ASB suddenly
changing all the world leaders' hearts, minds, and secret file notes,
the war would be disastrous for Germany, even in the case of victory:

In OTL, the German-Austrian and German-Russian borders were not half
as fortified as the Western front. Moreover, given the border lines of 1914,
Austria has a nice wedge into German territory to build on.
Even in the case of a victory Germany will suffer many casualties and
much devastation of its border regions.

Much depends on the exact timing of events in France.
 
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