Effects of a "No Islam" Scenario on Europe?

Yes it's true
But even with out Islam there is still nomadic desert people ( who I won't say jiat in case you do read my timeline)
That can be big problem they realisticly would not take as much land as the Muslims but the war and the lost territory would diatact the Byzantines enough to allow the lombard to take nother italy

I don't think disunited Arab tribes of different religious sects, not under a central authority would really be enough to make the Empire lose complete control of Italy personally.

Afterall, the Empire held onto the Exarchate for over 100 years IOTL, despite all the shit they were going through. They held onto Southern Italy all the way until the late 11th Century.

No Iconoclasm also means that the Papacy will be considerably less hostile to Constantinople, tensions will still exist, but they will boil over much later.
 
I don't think disunited Arab tribes of different religious sects, not under a central authority would really be enough to make the Empire lose complete control of Italy personally.

Afterall, the Empire held onto the Exarchate for over 100 years IOTL, despite all the shit they were going through. They held onto Southern Italy all the way until the late 11th Century.

No Iconoclasm also means that the Papacy will be considerably less hostile to Constantinople, tensions will still exist, but they will boil over much later.
I was not refering to the arabs
There where another dessert nomadic group
 
I was not refering to the arabs
There where another dessert nomadic group
Ah, so I assume you're then referring to the Berbers?

In either case, I don't think the Berbers could really do much more damage than non-Islamic Arabs could. They would be a nuisance to be sure, like they were to the Caliphate on numerous occasions, but I still don't think they would be able to do enough damage to lessen the Roman grip on Italy that much.
 
Ah, so I assume you're then referring to the Berbers?

In either case, I don't think the Berbers could really do much more damage than non-Islamic Arabs could. They would be a nuisance to be sure, like they were to the Caliphate on numerous occasions, but I still don't think they would be able to do enough damage to lessen the Roman grip on Italy that much.

Actually they could even disnuited they could be a treath radiding byzantine towns in North África

If somehow a charismatic leader unites Many Berber tribed the damage could be bad enougth that the berbers could take some parts of Africa from.the byzantines
After the disunited berbers manganed to stop the uyamed caliphate for taking the whole of north Africa for more than a decade
I can't image what a large berber confederation can do

Also that they would have the support of herectis that the Byzantines persecuted

And speaking of herectis if another Gregory like rebellion happens in this alternate timelime united or not the berbers would jump.at this oporopporty

And in this timelime Charles Martel ia still born so add the Frank's as a threat to the Byzantines
 
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