Effects of a Central Powers victory on Latin America

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For this scenario, lets define Latin America as 'every country who speaks a Romance language in the Western Hemisphere.'

I'm wondering what would be the effects of a Central Powers victory would be on Latin America, assuming the US in this scenario stays neutral or pro German. I would assume at the very least this prevents the occupations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic, who had large trade ties with German merchants, but I have little idea on how the rest of Latin America would be impacted.

Any thoughts?
 

Deleted member 67076

You have to provide more details than this. How exactly did the CP win? How long did it take?
Forgive me World War I isn't nearly my strong suit, but lets say war's over by 1917 with a German victory (before the wave of revolutions). I dunno, maybe Italy stays with the CP or something?
 

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Then nothing changes from OTL, as I said. 1917 is too late for a new power to form that could contest the Americans in the Western Hemisphere.
I mean, you don't need to challenge the American hegemony to impact Latin America in some way. Things such as immigration patterns, commercial links, cultural ties, who builds what rails and how, renegotiations of debt (which for say, Argentina were mostly to Britain who here is much weaker), etc.

Even something such as preventing the American Occupation of Hispaniola would drastically alter things.
 

NoMommsen

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Then nothing changes from OTL, as I said. 1917 is too late for a new power to form that could contest the Americans in the Western Hemisphere.
What kind of "contest" do you have in mind ?

Thing is : prior to WW I was already well on the way to became the biggest economy (what it reached after two lost WWs).
ITTL - regardless what time of a CP-victory - Germany would start out on that route again. And Latin America would definitly be one of its prime targets : evolving markets ready to suck up what the germans were good in - cheap industrial goods ... as well as consumer goods of quality.

In that way they definitly would be a "contester" of the US of A in sucking up whatever tarde goods these countries have to deliver (agricultural and raw materials). The US of A would most likely become a target in itself as a market.

And don't forget, that ITTL the US of A would (still ?) have a damn lot of unpaid debts of the Entente in its books.
 

NoMommsen

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Military intervention and acquisition of bases and colonies. If the US decides to invade some banana republic, they can, at will, and no one else can stop them.
I doubt the germans even after a won WW I would have been inclined to do so.
If the Germans try to use force similarly, such as they did against Venezuela, the Americans can prevent them if they choose to.
Pls help me : when was that ?
America is the hegemon in the region. If the US decides to invade, and setup a government that then establishes beneficial trade arrangements only with the Americans, at the expense of others, the US can do that, and no one could contest that. Germany's trade with the region exists at the sufferance of the US, and there is no realistic outcome to WW1 that is going to change that.
Ohoohh, I see a lot of "small wars" comming to the US of A and the Americas ... and somehow I doubt, that a isolationist US of A would be ready to conduct them all.

When Germany undercuts US offers, the latinamerican states would surly only follow suit AFTER an successful american invasion ... they would try hard to fight with ... german sold weapons.
And after each such war the US of A reputation there would go down further.

A spiral of never ending wars, rebellions, ...
 
Very little changes for our countries, except that we have another market for some raw materials. However if Britain and France fall to revolutions brought by the usual Great Depression or Communist uprisings, Brazil and Venezuela may gobble up Guyana, and Argentina has a chance to take Falklands. The rest is just butterflies.
 

CaliGuy

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For this scenario, lets define Latin America as 'every country who speaks a Romance language in the Western Hemisphere.'

I'm wondering what would be the effects of a Central Powers victory would be on Latin America, assuming the US in this scenario stays neutral or pro German. I would assume at the very least this prevents the occupations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic, who had large trade ties with German merchants, but I have little idea on how the rest of Latin America would be impacted.

Any thoughts?
I presume that Germany would try expanding its economic and possibly political influence in Latin America after it wins WWI--something which very likely ends up severely angering the U.S.!
 

CaliGuy

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_German_plans_for_the_invasion_of_the_United_States

"Kaiser Wilhelm II resented the growing economic influence of the United States over the Pacific and South America. He determined to intervene and replace US with German economic power. He felt that having a major Caribbean naval base in Cuba or Puerto Rico would be the first step in this intervention, and that this would also serve to counter US control of the Panama Canal, then under construction.[6]"

Indeed, the desire to challenge the U.S. in the Western Hemisphere on the part of the Imperial German leadership appears to have been there during this time.
 

CaliGuy

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@CaliGuy ... interesting link, never came across this. Never stopping to learn here.
At least it shows, that the US of A were seen as a 'power to think/care about' already before 1900.
No problem! :)

Also, Yes, Germany already appears to have been concerned about the U.S.'s growing power during this time--something which shouldn't be too surprising given the U.S.'s industrialization and rapidly growing population during this time.

In addition to this, if you are curious, in 1902, the U.S. failed to purchase the Danish West Indies by one vote in the upper house of the Danish Parliament; indeed, it was suspected that the reason for this failure was German pressure on Denmark and on Danish lawmakers:

https://books.google.com/books?id=O...nish west indies 1902 german pressure&f=false
 

You had the U.S occupying Haiti from 1915-1934 (then put up a pre-American dictator) Dominican Republic 1915-1925 (Pro-American Dictator as well) Nicaragua three times in 30 years. Sent troops into Honduras six times in thirty years (twice as a coup). So the U.S had already done a lot of this in the first place.
 
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