Effect on US!Nova Scotia/Quebec with no Grand Dérangement

Gian

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Exactly what it says on the tin.

Assuming there is no Expulsion of the Acadians and Nova Scotia (as well as all of OTL's Canada) is overrun and is ceded to the U.S. in the Revolution. How might the effect of an expanded francophone population concentrated in the Northeast) might do to both states, as well as the Northeast and the U.S. in general.
 

raharris1973

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1. Francophone Nova Scotia getting taken over by the Americans is still about as much of a longshot as it was in OTL.
2. French operations during the ARW in Acadia/Nova Scotia, and possibly thence on to Canada become somewhat more likely
3. Reunion with France may be less unlikely than union with the United States
4. If the Americans take over these territories or get supported by sympathetic revolts that drive the British out, Acadia and Quebec/Canada at a minimum become two separate additions to the US, joining the Articles of Confederation.
 
New France and the United States will be fighting it out over Aroostook.
There will be a race to the Mississippi, Spain did not like the US, and wanted to keep it away from Mexico. When the US takes New Orleans, I doubt it will be peacefully.
Once the US gets Louisiana we probably won't preserve the French Legal Code there due to the lack of Cajuns.
Napoleon will probably try to encourage/patronize the Canadiens to take on Labrador, New Foundland, and Hudson Bay.
There will be a race to the Prairies, and I think Napoleon III will try to encourage, patronize, and outright annex Canada in some brain dead effort to contest with the United States.
 

Gian

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What I'm talking about is what are the effects of an Acadia without the Expulsion, but still becomes part of the U.S.
 
You would have a smaller version of Canada, one concentrated on the Bay of Fundy and with a much longer history of interaction with New England.
 
I think what is being asked here is what if there was a solidly non-anglophone region included in the US at its start.

There were non-anglophones in Pennsylvania and New York, but they were minorities. Acadia ITTL and Quebec would be francophone, not only in private speech but in government. I.e. the laws of Quebec were in French.

Two possibilities present themselves.

One is that with immigration, internal migration, and pressure for conformity from the anglo majority, French Canada is assimilated, much as French Louisiana was OTL.

The other is that the US becomes a de facto bilingual country. But I have no idea what consequences that might have.
 

raharris1973

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You would have a smaller version of Canada, one concentrated on the Bay of Fundy and with a much longer history of interaction with New England.

In what manner is it smaller? never extends as far west or north? ISTM the main effect of this is enlarging the francophone zone into the maritimes.
 
Sorry for my lack of clarity. I meant a smaller version of Canada in that, just as Canada is dominated by the population centres on the St. Lawrence, so too will Acadia be dominated by the population centres on the Bay of Fundy. Outer regions will be settled later, and may well initially have non-Francophone populations.
 
If we are talking about how a State of Acadia would work, I'm not sure. There was certainly a long tradition of Acadian self-government caught between the two great empires, though how this would be affected by the POD that leads to their non-ethnic cleansing needs to be explored.
 
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