Effect of No Nazi Germany on Austria

[John Fredrick Parker]

Supposing that, with a 1932 PoD, Hitler does not come to power in Germany, but Engelbert Dollfuss still becomes Chancellor of Austria. Does the former have have effect on decision making on the latter? If so, what are the effects on Austria?

Thinking about this lately -- if Hitler doesn't come to power in Germany early 1933, does this mean Engelbert Dollfuss has less reason to be worried about the rise of the Nazi party in Austria? If so, does this prevent him taking power as dictator in 1933 and/or the civil war of 1934? And if that's so, does this mean Red Vienna survives?

 

[Gukpard]

Supposing that, with a 1932 PoD, Hitler does not come to power in Germany, but Engelbert Dollfuss still becomes Chancellor of Austria. Does the former have have effect on decision making on the latter? If so, what are the effects on Austria?

Most likely the austrofascism collapses in the 1970s, and become a small party like modern day falange in Spain.

 

[thatsbunkers]

Most likely the austrofascism collapses in the 1970s, and become a small party like modern day falange in Spain.

Assuming the fascists stay in power in italy they could prop Austria up

 

[John Fredrick Parker]

Most likely, austrofascism collapses in the 1970s...

Does this mean Dollfuss still declares the parliament “self-eliminated” in early 1933, and that this still leads to a civil war less than a year later?

 

[Livius wannabe]

Weren't the Habsburg supposed to come back?

 

[Seandineen]

In time. The Austrians took that corporate state idea very seriously, like Portugal under the economics professor.

 

[TheSaint250]

I could see some conflict between Austria under Dollfuss and Germany. If Hitler were to never come to power, I would think a party like the DNVP still could have significant influence, and with a pan-German ideology, chances are the more nationalistic elements in Germany would butt heads with Dollfuss over unifying the two.

 

[Deleted member 1487]

A lot less dead Austrians plus a richer country from not being pillaged by Germany and then the Soviets.

 

[Max Sinister]

Weren't the Habsburg supposed to come back?

If the Allies don't mind... what did the treaty of Saint-Germain say?

 

[The Byronic Hero]

A lot less dead Austrians plus a richer country from not being pillaged by Germany and then the Soviets.

If there is no Civil War

 

[Livius wannabe]

If the Allies don't mind... what did the treaty of Saint-Germain say?

Limited army, reduction of territory, reparations and no threatening of its own national independence. I don't think it requires it to be a republic, but even so the Habsburg would most likely be a bulwark against the Großdeutschland Lösung, which was perhaps the less palatable thing to the allies.

 

[Deleted member 1487]

If there is no Civil War

You honestly think an Austrian civil war could be as destructive as WW2 and the aftermath?

 

[Max Sinister]

OK, the Habsburg Law that was made in 1919 wasn't made by the Allies. You'd have to get rid of it first, but since almost everybody voted for it...

 

[The Byronic Hero]

You honestly think an Austrian civil war could be as destructive as WW2 and the aftermath?

Depends on how dirty it gets as well as the possibility of sowing generational long schisms between the populace (and whether the fascists win which will definitely retard economic growth). One of the worst case scenarios: Civil War happens and Italy steps in to prop up the fascist government turning Austria into a multi decade long satellite and ties them to a failing economic ideology that over time will find itself frozen out of numerous markets.

 

[Livius wannabe]

OK, the Habsburg Law that was made in 1919 wasn't made by the Allies. You'd have to get rid of it first, but since almost everybody voted for it...

Since the parliament voted for self-elimination, I assume they could as well introduce a royal figurehead.
By the way, Dollfuss could use the archduke to legitimise himself.

 

[Fearless Leader]

A lot depends on what happens in Germany. The Anschluss idea was incredibly strong on both the left and the right by 1932.

 

[Athelstane]

A lot less dead Austrians plus a richer country from not being pillaged by Germany and then the Soviets.

 

[Deleted member 1487]

Found the grammar Nazi

 

[Francisco Cojuanco]

I could see some conflict between Austria under Dollfuss and Germany. If Hitler were to never come to power, I would think a party like the DNVP still could have significant influence, and with a pan-German ideology, chances are the more nationalistic elements in Germany would butt heads with Dollfuss over unifying the two.

Heck, I see it happening even if the SPD ran things. I can see the speeches now. "Why do we let an autocrat exploit so many German workers and deny their national aspirations under the cover of a clerical state that weds itself to an outdated feudal construct?"

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

If there is no Civil War

Given that OTL's Austrian Civil War was over in 5 days I think it's safe to say that any later Austrian civil war would still be less destructive than the area bombing of Vienna.