Edward VIII refuses to abdicate

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Pretty much what it says on the tin: what if rather than accept the abdication being pushed on him Edward instead refuses and fights to keep his status as heir to the throne?
 

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There would be some kind of constitutional crisis and the country would grind to a halt. Then he would go when it became obvious his staying was completely untenable.

There definitely wouldn’t be a civil war, though.
 

Kariya

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I don't see why would he HAVE to leave, I understand wanting to avoid drama and such but I believe that if he dug in his heels other issues would become far more important and people would come around to his side.
 

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I don't see why would he HAVE to leave, I understand wanting to avoid drama and such but I believe that if he dug in his heels other issues would become far more important and people would come around to his side.

Not the people that “count” though. Churchill aside, I can’t think of many “mainstream” politicians that expressed any interest in forming Winston’s “King’s Party” that’s often referenced.
 
Not the people that “count” though. Churchill aside, I can’t think of many “mainstream” politicians that expressed any interest in forming Winston’s “King’s Party” that’s often referenced.

Agreed. If Edward refuses to go then he'll be forced out by Parliament.
 

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Edward was popular with the lower classes, so if the conservative upper class parliament tries forcing him out there is likely going to be some sort of strife, though as already said no civil war. Would the parliament/Chamberlain want to court that sort of public unrest at of the later 1930s?
 
Edward was popular with the lower classes, so if the conservative upper class parliament tries forcing him out there is likely going to be some sort of strife, though as already said no civil war. Would the parliament/Chamberlain want to court that sort of public unrest at of the later 1930s?
They like him, yes but not enough to make them act. Socialist and communist are not going act to support him. Black shirt support will do more harm than good.
 

Kariya

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They like him, yes but not enough to make them act. Socialist and communist are not going act to support him. Black shirt support will do more harm than good.

They don't have to act, all they need to do is make their oppinion known. No one wants to lose elections
 
They don't have to act, all they need to do is make their oppinion known. No one wants to lose elections
People are not going to change their vote because of the king, and also neither of these parties will win if they come in support of the king, the king is still part of the bourgeoisie, where is the proof showing the communist supported edward heavily to break with their ideology? Black shirts are a joke, associating with them will turn more people against the king. Socialist, so what if the king supports the poor to an extent, he doesn't run the country. Instead of voting for labour or the libs who pass laws supporting, they would rather have a king who cant pass laws, and may one day visit them?
 

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People are not going to change their vote because of the king, and also neither of these parties will win if they come in support of the king, the king is still part of the bourgeoisie, where is the proof showing the communist supported edward heavily to break with their ideology? Black shirts are a joke, associating with them will turn more people against the king. Socialist, so what if the king supports the poor to an extent, he doesn't run the country. Instead of voting for labour or the libs who pass laws supporting, they would rather have a king who cant pass laws, and may one day visit them?
You think the average person, or even say Labour inclined voter, wouldn't be upset that the Tories are installing their favored monarch over the one they prefer?
 
You think the average person, or even say Labour inclined voter, wouldn't be upset that the Tories are installing their favored monarch over the one they prefer?
They wouldn't care as this isn't the victorian era the monarch wont refuse to allow labour to form a government. Also they are not installing their favourite, they putting the next in line to the throne. Thats how succession works. Also so what, what is the monarch going to do give conservatives, all you done is unite all the tory enemies together.
 
Parliament declares the throne vacant and offers it to Albert. He accepts and events progress as they did in OTL. The only difference being that Edward is even less admired.
 
Are you honestly citing an event that happened 100 years before Edward's abdication as evidence of how people would behave in the 1930s?
Yes as that shows the power of the monarch against parliament, the people dont care who the monarch is parliament matters more. Only difference here is that parliament is even more important and the monarch even less powerful. You keep trying to suggest the people top priority in an election is the monarch and they have some connection to the people that parliament doesn't, which is untrue.
 

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Yes as that shows the power of the monarch against parliament, the people dont care who the monarch is parliament matters more. Only difference here is that parliament is even more important and the monarch even less powerful. You keep trying to suggest the people top priority in an election is the monarch and they have some connection to the people that parliament doesn't, which is untrue.
In the 19th century sure, in the 20th century things are a bit different given that labor politics is vastly different as it was political situation domestically and internationally.
 
In the 19th century sure, in the 20th century things are a bit different given that labor politics is vastly different as it was political situation domestically and internationally.
In what ways does it benefit the monarchy then? Him not abidcating causes more problems as he is going rogue. Parliament is sovereign not the king. Also why does labour care? The person replacing is next in line so it isn't a tory plot.
 

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Are you honestly citing an event that happened 100 years before Edward's abdication as evidence of how people would behave in the 1930s?
Well, the argument is at least grounded in something beyond "but it should work" or "this would be good for XYZ".

Dog won't hunt.
 
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