Edward IV has a son in 1465, consequences?

Sort of. Her dowry contained pieces of burgundian lands and since Mary died Max had a harder time to fought of the french.
 
I've considered similar scenarios like this one. If Edward and Elizabeth Woodville's firstborn is a boy before EoY, I'd say that his name would be Edward (Edward IV strikes me as a guy who was always going to name his firstborn son after himself), then with any subsequent boys following the same pattern of OTL. So OTL Edward V would be Richard, Duke of Whatever (since Richard of Gloucester seems to have been Edward IV's favorite brother + it's the name of two dead grandfathers), and so on. I agree that there would have been no regency if Edward IV dies on schedule (which is very possible, given that an earlier son born wouldn't necessarily change the man's biological destiny), given the young Edward being of age to rule on his own.

However, I could conceive of their being some tension if the new king is seen as OTL Edward V was - a creature devoted solely to his mother's kin. The boy's partiality to the Woodvilles was part of what incited Richard of Gloucester to act as he did - Buckingham had filled his head with ideas that the boy was going to come after Gloucester because the Woodvilles saw him as a threat, etc. If TTL Edward V is seen the same way, he may have some tension with Uncle Richard. However, in this case, TTL Edward V is older and will hopefully have had the chance to act independently of the Woodvilles before Edward IV's death - perhaps he visits the North before Dad died and thus allowed Richard to meet and get to know his nephew personally, thus giving Richard his own perceptions of the young man and giving him his own frame of reference.

This scenario also begs the question as to the fate of Henry Tudor. An older York heir who is sitting stably on the throne (with no reputation for kinslaying) will mean that Henry's chances to claim the throne for himself will be a lot lower. If Edward V proves capable and is ensuring a stable realm, then fewer nobles would be willing to rally around the last Lancastrian claimant. They've gone through two generations of bloody civil war - only the hardest and bitterest would be willing to risk a third at this point. Margaret Beaufort was at one point negotiating with Edward IV to bring her son home so he could reclaim the Richmond earldom, and Edward IV was receptive to the idea, but something halted the process. She might take the opportunity of having a new king on the throne to reopen the possibility of allowing Henry (and Jasper Tudor, if possible) to come home and reclaim their lost lands or allotting new ones. If the Tudors are willing to let things lie and not cause trouble within the kingdom, Edward V might be willing to be magnanimous in the Yorkist victory. And if he wants to ensure Tudor loyalty, he might even be willing to offer up one of his sisters or a Woodville cousin as a wife for one of them.

Going back to Richard of Gloucester, if Anne Neville and Edward of Middleham die on schedule (again possible given biological destinies), then you've got a king's uncle who has substantial lands and power of his own in the north of England, which makes him pretty eligible both among the nobles of England and in other countries. Kings might be hesitant to marry their daughters off to him, since he's got two or three healthy nephews ahead of him in line for the throne, but if they've got some younger unmarried sisters or nieces? Definitely a possibility there. Particularly if Richard comes out of the North and takes part in his nephew's court instead of holing up in the North and spanking the Scots if they venture over the border. Right now Richard has a bevy of nephews to choose for an heir (Edward, Earl of Warwick, John de la Pole, TTL's Richard Duke of Whatever, etc), but I could definitely see him wanting a son of his own to inherit all that he's accumulated (the Neville-Beauchamp inheritances, etc) and the only children he has left are his bastards, Katherine Plantagenet and John of Gloucester.

Say... would it be possible for Richard to seek to legitimize his bastard son in this case? Richard was said to have been fond of the boy, even raising him and his half-sister in his own household alongside his legitimate heir. With the loss of young Edward and then Anne Neville, might Richard make noise about wanting to legitimize his last son in lieu of remarrying and starting from scratch? Richard isn't necessarily old at this point, but he's still in his thirties at this point, and who can predict the future?
 
Edward wasen't intersted into backing burgundy much after Charles death anyway. Margarets influence doesn't depend on Max anyway she had Mary. Richard is not getting Mary if Edward IV is not interested into taking military action against france, wich he wasent after Loius bribed him.
That changes if Burgundy has a good chance of going Plantagenet.As for not taking military action against France,there's a good reason for that.France was much richer than England and has a much higher population.Over a hundred years of war with France has demonstrated that you can't conquer France with force.You can beat them in a battle or two and even conquer a large part of it,but the French will always be back with even more soldiers,so it's better to just grab the cash and leave.I have always regarded Edward's decision as a wise one.

As for Margaret's influence--it will largely depend on the mood of Maximillian,not Mary.Remember this is the late Middle Ages.Maximilian has final say in matters as the husband.
 
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That changes if Burgundy has a good chance of going Plantagenet.As for not taking military action against France,there's a good reason for that.France was much richer than England and has a much higher population.Over a hundred years of war with France has demonstrated that you can't conquer France with force.You can beat them in a battle or two and even conquer a large part of it,but the French will always be back with even more soldiers,so it's better to just grab the cash and leave.I have always regarded Edward's decision as a wise one.

As for Margaret's influence--it will largely depend on the mood of Maximillian,not Mary.Remember this is the late Middle Ages.Maximilian has final say in matters as the husband.
This is true would Margaret have more say as the mother of the duke of burgundy
 
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