Edward de Balliol Has Children

Inspired by the Byzantine Scotland idea I decided that this idea is worth looking into.

Edward de Balliol, son of King John de Balliol, died without issue and the family name died with him. According to some sources, he was married to Marguerite of Taranto (daughter of Latin Empress Catherine II and Philip I of Taranto, sister of Giovanna I of Naples' second husband), while other sources make no mention of this match when speaking of Marguerite.

However, Marguerite had two kids by her "second" husband, Jacques de Baux/Giacomo del Balzo and Antonia del Balzo, future queen of Sicily. So clearly she's fertile(-ish).

If Edward-Marguerite were to have kids would Marguerite be a sort of "queen of last hopes"? Might the Baliols manage (by dint of the familial alliances - she's sister-in-law to the queen of Naples, cousin to the queen consort then the kings of France and Hungary, after all) to salvage some sort of royal court or mount a successful claim to the Scots throne? Or would they simply be the Stuarts come early?
 
I was thinking, there might be an age gap, but what of a marriage between Edward de Baliol's son and Marjorie Bruce's genderbent OTL son? Or a daughter of Elizabeth de Burgh. Maybe forced through in the 1330s (if Matilda/Margaret Bruce/Marjorie's OTL son born female) when Edward and David II are fighting for the crown?

*since there are two daughters of the prince of Taranto named Marguerite (one duchess of Athens (b.1298) and the other princess of Baux (b.1320s), I'm looking at the older one for a son to give in marriage to Matilda/Margaret/Ms Stewart
 
I was thinking, there might be an age gap, but what of a marriage between Edward de Baliol's son and Marjorie Bruce? Or a daughter of Elizabeth de Burgh. Maybe forced through in the 1330s (if Matilda/Margaret Bruce/Marjorie's OTL son born female) when Edward and David II are fighting for the crown?
Would this therefore make Bruce adherents more likely to want balliol to remain or produce a split?
 
I'm not sure. I know very little about Scots history of the period. This just seemed like a cool (if crazy) idea

I get the feeling that Bruce's adherents would be very against the idea, and Balliol would be as well, as it would signal giving legitimacy to Bruce, something which he and his faction did ebverything they could to deny
 
I get the feeling that Bruce's adherents would be very against the idea, and Balliol would be as well, as it would signal giving legitimacy to Bruce, something which he and his faction did ebverything they could to deny

The match doesn't have to originate in either's brain. It could be the English or French king that are just tired of having their sleeves tugged on by a Scots claimant that they suggest the match. If Bruce lacks a male heir (say Elizabeth de Burgh is barren or Marjorie only has a daughter), a match with de Baliol's son could make sense. It unites the claims, gives peace to Scotland (even if neither Bruce nor Baliol see it that way) and avoids an awkward third Scottish civil war.

As to de Baliol's kids if they don't do this, I'm not sure if a "queen of last hopes" as you phrased it, Kellan, would be likely. Their reign in Scotland is so brief and so contested that I doubt they'd cut a similar figure to the later Stuarts. Maybe more like the Carlists or the Miguelists. However, wasn't Baliol originally a Frenchman or something? There was a Christine de Baliol who married a cousin of Queen Marie de Coucy.
 
The match doesn't have to originate in either's brain. It could be the English or French king that are just tired of having their sleeves tugged on by a Scots claimant that they suggest the match. If Bruce lacks a male heir (say Elizabeth de Burgh is barren or Marjorie only has a daughter), a match with de Baliol's son could make sense. It unites the claims, gives peace to Scotland (even if neither Bruce nor Baliol see it that way) and avoids an awkward third Scottish civil war.

As to de Baliol's kids if they don't do this, I'm not sure if a "queen of last hopes" as you phrased it, Kellan, would be likely. Their reign in Scotland is so brief and so contested that I doubt they'd cut a similar figure to the later Stuarts. Maybe more like the Carlists or the Miguelists. However, wasn't Baliol originally a Frenchman or something? There was a Christine de Baliol who married a cousin of Queen Marie de Coucy.

Hmm interesting, this is very true, perhaps if David has no heir, it is recogniised thaty the fruit of Balliol's marriage with his sistyer would be his heir?
 
I get the feeling that Bruce's adherents would be very against the idea, and Balliol would be as well, as it would signal giving legitimacy to Bruce, something which he and his faction did ebverything they could to deny
The match doesn't have to originate in either's brain. It could be the English or French king that are just tired of having their sleeves tugged on by a Scots claimant that they suggest the match. If Bruce lacks a male heir (say Elizabeth de Burgh is barren or Marjorie only has a daughter), a match with de Baliol's son could make sense. It unites the claims, gives peace to Scotland (even if neither Bruce nor Baliol see it that way) and avoids an awkward third Scottish civil war.

As to de Baliol's kids if they don't do this, I'm not sure if a "queen of last hopes" as you phrased it, Kellan, would be likely. Their reign in Scotland is so brief and so contested that I doubt they'd cut a similar figure to the later Stuarts. Maybe more like the Carlists or the Miguelists. However, wasn't Baliol originally a Frenchman or something? There was a Christine de Baliol who married a cousin of Queen Marie de Coucy.

Hmm interesting, this is very true, perhaps if David has no heir, it is recogniised thaty the fruit of Balliol's marriage with his sistyer would be his heir?

I didn't know the strife was so bad, but it makes sense that Baliol and Bruce would be on opposite ends of the fence. OTOH, if King Bob has only daughters or female female-line heirs I could see him attempting to sort of wed his heiress presumptive to a Baliol boy (if available) as a way of ensuring that even if there are Bruce-supporters who jump ship to Baliol because they won't back a lassie queen, they are still supporting the monarchy and not some random laird who wants the wee queen to marry his son
 
I didn't know the strife was so bad, but it makes sense that Baliol and Bruce would be on opposite ends of the fence. OTOH, if King Bob has only daughters or female female-line heirs I could see him attempting to sort of wed his heiress presumptive to a Baliol boy (if available) as a way of ensuring that even if there are Bruce-supporters who jump ship to Baliol because they won't back a lassie queen, they are still supporting the monarchy and not some random laird who wants the wee queen to marry his son

Hmm agreed, your best bet might be to have Robert Stewart being born a girl then, she'd then be of an age to marry Balliol sgould something have to Davie in the 1330s
 
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