Elizabeth Woodville. I wanted to keep things like that as butterfly-free as possible.
Old English spelling has it as Wydeville
Elizabeth Woodville. I wanted to keep things like that as butterfly-free as possible.
Old English spelling has it as WydevilleAnd okay cool beans, what leads to them meeting?
Elizabeth Woodville. I wanted to keep things like that as butterfly-free as possible.
Interesting, I take it her first husband died of natural causes, or from a well placed whisper here or there?
A little of column A a little of column B. In short, I don't know.
Aha fair fair.
I was wondering, with what you've written, how does one keep the peace between the three factions? Edmund remaining loyal I can see, but what happens regarding the war party when France is lost? In otl, that was what pushed York into rebellion, does Mortimer spend time trying to balance out the Beauforts as well as Suffolk?
The families of Beaufort and de Mortimer are fairly well connected in this timeline. Henry's mother and step grandmother were both Beauforts. However, the house of Suffolk is mildly rebellious, but realises that the York is currently now led by the child Edward of York and his mother, the Lady Elizabeth Woodville. So Suffolk is spending the early days of de Mortimers reign attempting to take the second highest position in the court from the family of York.
Elizabeth Woodville. I wanted to keep things like that as butterfly-free as possible.
Say what????
Edward of York's meeting with Elizabeth Woodville, and her being eligible, were direct consequences of the first part of the War of the Roses happening as they did.
Even if one eliminates all butterfly effects (which is bogus anyway), one cannot ignore major knock-ons. Otherwise one winds up raising a stupid proposition like: If the Confederacy had won independence, Hughes would have defeated Wilson in the 1916 election.
Here's one obvious reason why Edward would not marry the Woodville: his father would still be alive, and would forbid it. She was not quite as unsuitable for a duke's heir as for the king, but sufficiently so that the marriage would be impossible unless Edward was free to act on his infatuation.
I might add that removing Elizabeth's marriage to King Edward also means that her many ambitious siblings will not marry such important nobles as the heir of the Duke of Buckingham, Viscount Bourchier (heir to the Earl of Essex), the heir of the Earl of Kent, the heiress of Baron Scales, the Earl of Arundel, or the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk.
Say what????
Edward of York's meeting with Elizabeth Woodville, and her being eligible, were direct consequences of the first part of the War of the Roses happening as they did.
Even if one eliminates all butterfly effects (which is bogus anyway), one cannot ignore major knock-ons. Otherwise one winds up raising a stupid proposition like: If the Confederacy had won independence, Hughes would have defeated Wilson in the 1916 election.
Here's one obvious reason why Edward would not marry the Woodville: his father would still be alive, and would forbid it. She was not quite as unsuitable for a duke's heir as for the king, but sufficiently so that the marriage would be impossible unless Edward was free to act on his infatuation.
I might add that removing Elizabeth's marriage to King Edward also means that her many ambitious siblings will not marry such important nobles as the heir of the Duke of Buckingham, Viscount Bourchier (heir to the Earl of Essex), the heir of the Earl of Kent, the heiress of Baron Scales, the Earl of Arundel, or the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk.
Actually it might butterfly Elizabeth's birth completely - there's no guarantee in a surviving Mortimer line would mean a marriage between Jacquetta St Pol and the Duke of Bedford and her subsequent remarriage.
On the Wydeville marriages one point - Anthony Woodville married the Scales heiress long before Elizabeth married Edward. Her sister had also already married Lord Strange.
The Bourchier's were connected to the Grey's and were obviously related to the house of York so might have still fallen into the Wydeville circle anyway.
Incidentally without a battle in the 1450s you have lots of people living to fight another day including Elizabeth first husband Lord Grey.
So whom might be a possible bride for the heir to the Dukedom of York?
One of Warwick's daughters seems likely. Or a Mortimer girl, or Stafford, Percy, Mowbray, Howard, or Stanley. Or a Beaufort; there's no dispute to engender bad blood.