Eastern Austria remain part of USSR

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Propaganda reasons speak against that. If there is a Western Bloc Austria,. there also needs an Eastern Bloc Austria as counterpoint.

Was there a Austrian Communist party which the USSR could have put in charge of Eastern Austria?
 
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Was there a Austrian Communist party which the USSR could have put in charge of Eastern Austria?

I imagine the radical Social Democrats involved in the 1934 Austrian Civil War against the pre-Nazi Fascist government would suit the bill perfectly.

Also the Soviets were terribly commited to matching the West bit for bit, at least in appearance if not quality- Marshall Aid led to Comecon, the Shuttle led to Buran*, a Republic of Austria would lead to an Austrian Socialist Republic, regardless of the miniscule size, East Austria being absorbed into Czechoslovakia would NOT go down well, considering all effort put into removing the Sudeten Germans from the country in 1945 while I doubt the Viennese people would be too happy

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http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_program
 

Susano

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Would Vienna have been partioned into a East/West as well?

Yes, just like Berlin Vienna was split into 4 sectors after the war. And just like Berlin, Vienan was inside the respective Soviet Occupation Zone, so, really, circumstances would have been quite similar. Well, not entirely the same - IIRC, the Sectros in Vienan were not as coherent as in Berlin, and often consisted of several enclaves instead of one continous territory. So things couldve been messy. Especially as Central Vienna was a sort of fifth sector, administered together by the four powers. Arguments over that could become really nasty...
 
Vienna, post-WW2:

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Susano

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Thanks for the map.

Idears of capitals of the two Austria's?

East Vienna for East Austria, to ram down their claim to legitimacy (so same as with East Germany East Berlin IOTL).

For West Austria... Well, for West Austria it would be a seat of government, and that can be everywhere. I mean, really IOTL in West Germany - Bonn! A non-entity as city. But then, that was also to a large part due to Adenauers meddling. So, if we assume similar meddling does not take place in West Austria... hm. Innsbrucks probably not located central enough, and Linz may be to near to the border. Id suggest Salzburg.
 
Would Austria, once united, join with Germany afterwards?
Depends on whether German nationalism shares the same fate in TTL as it did in OTL -- i.e. whether the state of affairs allows from the gradual emergence and development of a separate Austrian identity. My guess is that an Austrian identity will not develop, since it was largely a result of attempting to cope with the Austrian State Treaty's strict terms IIRC.
 
Depends on whether German nationalism shares the same fate in TTL as it did in OTL -- i.e. whether the state of affairs allows from the gradual emergence and development of a separate Austrian identity. My guess is that an Austrian identity will not develop, since it was largely a result of attempting to cope with the Austrian State Treaty's strict terms IIRC.

Welcome to the board and all that, but please don't revive four-year-old threads like this in future.
 
Think they'd do an East/West Vienna thing?

Ugh bad case of thread necromancy here ;)

East Berlin could survive as there were Airports within WestBerlin parts.

The UK and US only could use airports outside their assigned occupation zone.

So it would not be able to hold vienna if the Soviets decided to enclose the city.

If you count Vienna belonging to Eastern Austria (Soviet zone) almost half of Austrias popolation would live in the Eastern Republic, so there would be 2 almost equal Austrian States.

Strategically Austria provides a broad avenue into Southern Germany and through Styria and Carinthia even into Northern Italy. So Russia might have a strong motive to stay in Austria. In the other direction (eastward) the acess is more difficukt as around Vienna no flat terrain allows approach from the West. and hilly Carinthia and Styria makes progress difficult too.
 
Ugh bad case of thread necromancy here ;)

East Berlin could survive as there were Airports within WestBerlin parts.

The UK and US only could use airports outside their assigned occupation zone.

So it would not be able to hold vienna if the Soviets decided to enclose the city.

If you count Vienna belonging to Eastern Austria (Soviet zone) almost half of Austrias popolation would live in the Eastern Republic, so there would be 2 almost equal Austrian States.

Strategically Austria provides a broad avenue into Southern Germany and through Styria and Carinthia even into Northern Italy. So Russia might have a strong motive to stay in Austria. In the other direction (eastward) the acess is more difficukt as around Vienna no flat terrain allows approach from the West. and hilly Carinthia and Styria makes progress difficult too.

please quote the right necromancer
 

Wolfpaw

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The main issue seems to be the Austrians' willingness to be split. The Soviets were more than willing to play ball with the Socialists who wanted a Neutral Austria; it was America that largely needed convincing since to Dulles neutrality = COMMUNISM!

So what if the US keeps stalling out an Austrian State Treaty or other settlement to the matter? What would the Austrians do?
 
Yes, just like Berlin Vienna was split into 4 sectors after the war. And just like Berlin, Vienan was inside the respective Soviet Occupation Zone, so, really, circumstances would have been quite similar. Well, not entirely the same - IIRC, the Sectros in Vienan were not as coherent as in Berlin, and often consisted of several enclaves instead of one continous territory. So things couldve been messy. Especially as Central Vienna was a sort of fifth sector, administered together by the four powers. Arguments over that could become really nasty...

Vienna, post-WW2:


I think ultimately how Vienna was split into sectors makes it nearly impossible to divide Austria. The very centre of Vienna was an international zone which changed hands every month between the US, British, French and Soviet forces. How would this work in two Austrian states? And how do you build an Vienna Wall with that international zone around?
 
I think ultimately how Vienna was split into sectors makes it nearly impossible to divide Austria. The very centre of Vienna was an international zone which changed hands every month between the US, British, French and Soviet forces. How would this work in two Austrian states? And how do you build an Vienna Wall with that international zone around?
Wasn't the centre of Berlin an international zone, too?
 
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