East Germany W.A.N.K.

East Germany Wins Always, ends up like North Korea?

Is it possible for East Germany to survive the fall of the Soviet Union, and not reunify with West Germany?

Even better, would it be possible for it to develop or acquire nuclear weapons in enough quantity to be able to hold up against any external pressure from the US or Russia? How would it develop?

How far can you wank East Germany?
 
Well. If "East Germany" included all of Germany east of the Rhine and West Germany was a tiny portion of the Country, that could lead to a situation where East Germany annexes West Germany rather than the other way around.

You would have to create a German State that is strong enough to stand on its own without the Soviet Union--some kind of Korean War Analog that results in mutual distrust between East and West Germany, possibly involving the USA going Nuke Crazy against the Soviets and East Germany becoming a vengeful, militantly Anti-American state.

This is an insane world...and that means an insane situation could result...
 
how about this:

in 1989 Extremist of the "Stasi" and Military make a putsh against
the "corrupt and rotten" Politburo and to "save" the socialism Ideology from Mikhail Gorbachev
the GDR Border are closed and with help of Poland military start to extent the Inner German border
atlong the Czechoslovakia-Polish border to prevent more Refugees to reach West Germany
Note Poland was under Military rule until 1989

October 1989, the Monday demonstrations are bloodily ended by soldiers.
the resulting military crackdown on the Opposition left thousands of deads
the world press report as the Monday demonstrations Massacre
compare them with the Tiananmen Square Massacre (4 month early)
until GDR militray start to hunt reporters.

The extrem violent suppression of the Opposition, bring a stop to demand of polical change
the people remained in their houses and wait for the government orders
"what use is political freedom? if you are dead..."

1990 the GDR, DPRK (north Korea) and Republic of Cuba forms Alliance
Note: the GDR and Cuba had very good Relationship.

1992 the hate and dispare of east german people reach high point.
in Rostock-Lichtenhagen and other city extreme xenophobic riots agains foreigners starts
most victims are Vietnamese workes, People republic of Vietnam Protests are ignord by GDR Millitary

1996 GDR start is Nuclear Program together with North Korea and Cuba

2000 Erich Mielke head of Stasi dies, they Stasi build a Mausoleum
in center of Berlin were his preserved body is displayed. (like Lenin)

2003 the New border is finish, like inner German border only its surrounds the GDR
It form by a series of 3–4-metre (12–15 ft) high metal fences, walls, armed guards, guard dogs, barbed wire, electric alarms, trenches, watchtowers, automatic guns and minefields.

the USA put GDR as part of Axis of evil

2005 the GDR test is frist Nuclear weapon and declare is self to Nuclear Power
and take west Berlin as "hostage" to prevent invasion the Alliance by US troops.
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
East Germany Wins Always, ends up like North Korea?

Is it possible for East Germany to survive the fall of the Soviet Union, and not reunify with West Germany?

NO!
Only if Western Germany decides it doesn't want it and builds a wall of its own.

The GDR was so short on cash and in debt, it was ready to fall appart anyway.
 
Well. If "East Germany" included all of Germany east of the Rhine and West Germany was a tiny portion of the Country, that could lead to a situation where East Germany annexes West Germany rather than the other way around.

Or a less nutty version of the "For All Time" TL in which either the US gets involved later or D-day doesn't come off, leaving the Iron Curtain rather to the west of OTL. Then even if a rump German state survives under US protection in the Rhinelands, it's not going to be able to _afford_ to assimilate a Communist Germany with 3 or more times it's population.

OTL Germany had serious economic problems with bringing East Germany up to spec and East Germany had less than 1/3 West Germany's population. (It's my understanding that a lot of South Koreans are deeply worried about the effects on their economy of having to take over a collapsing North).

Now, if we can get the Soviets to pull out of East Germany without collapsing in the process, (say, due to some crisis closer to home - the Soviet/Chinese war?), so we're looking at a continuing cold war setting, I can see a surviving Communist Germany obtaining nuclear weapons as insurance they don't come back...

Of course, perhaps this isn't what the OP wanted in terms of "Wanking East Germany."

Bruce
 
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