East Berlin was an enclave.

Let’s imagine that Berlin was in the west of Germany.
This results in east Berlin being surrounded by west Germany when Germany is partitioned. What effect would this have on the Cold War?
 

BigBlueBox

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If the Allies got all the way to Berlin then there wouldn’t be a partition. Soviets would just take Kaliningrad for themselves and give everything west of the Oder-Neisse to Poland as OTL, then withdraw from the rest of Germany for some concessions, like reparations and a demilitarized zone west of the Elbe. Maybe Czechoslovakia gets some German land as well.
 
If the Allies got all the way to Berlin then there wouldn’t be a partition. Soviets would just take Kaliningrad for themselves and give everything west of the Oder-Neisse to Poland as OTL, then withdraw from the rest of Germany for some concessions, like reparations and a demilitarized zone west of the Elbe. Maybe Czechoslovakia gets some German land as well.
The Allies got beyond the agreed occupation separation line, but retreated from the lands they had captured beyond it to let the Russians occupy it.
So I think it not unlikely for the Allies to retreat from Berlin even if they get to it before the Soviets do.
 
A Berlin in the west of Germany wouldn't be Berlin. You might as well ask what if Chicago was where Pittsburgh is today...
 
A Berlin in the west of Germany wouldn't be Berlin. You might as well ask what if Chicago was where Pittsburgh is today...

I think they meant West Germany.

Anyway, I agree with BigBlueBox. If some scenario emerged where the Germans did significantly better in the East than IOTL, there probably wouldn't be any East Germany.
 
I suppose the question is how would the Soviets handle a situation where the german capital was located in what would become West Germany instead of Berlin as in OTL. Perhaps for some reason another city was chosen as the German capital. Maybe Wienna could serve as the ATL city, which would be split in two zones(Communist and Liberal-Democratic).
 

BigBlueBox

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The Allies got beyond the agreed occupation separation line, but retreated from the lands they had captured beyond it to let the Russians occupy it.
So I think it not unlikely for the Allies to retreat from Berlin even if they get to it before the Soviets do.
A timeline in which the Western allies go all the way to Berlin is a timeline in which the Tehran Conference agreements of OTL didn't happen. The Western allies won't fight a brutal battle for Berlin if they are just going to hand it over to the Soviets anyways.
 
The only POD to make this work would for the 1848-9 Frankfurt Parliament to somehow succeed in unifying Germany, and for some reason this doesn't butterfly away World War 2 or change the occupation zones. Then the Soviet Union would get a quarter of Frankfurt as its occupation zone. But I have hard time coming up with reasons why the Americans and the British would either try to blockade "East Frankfurt" or to wall it off to keep West Germans from emigrating to East Germany.
 
The only POD to make this work would for the 1848-9 Frankfurt Parliament to somehow succeed in unifying Germany, and for some reason this doesn't butterfly away World War 2 or change the occupation zones. Then the Soviet Union would get a quarter of Frankfurt as its occupation zone. But I have hard time coming up with reasons why the Americans and the British would either try to blockade "East Frankfurt" or to wall it off to keep West Germans from emigrating to East Germany.

Why would anyone want to go to East Germany? Certainly not in the number that would be traveling from "East Frankfurt" into West Germany.
 
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