Earthquake Weather: Pop Culture & Tech Goes Weirder

I've decided that the WGA strike will be covered in ellipses (i.e. its effects) but I've been looking around and things that are changed from OTL in pop culture that I want to cover at least are mostly in 1988-89. Are people into a 1988-1989 videogame/computer update first (to bring the timeline into, um, the right time), or some pop culture stuff first?
Well, you have to be happy with the flow of things. As it stands right now, you've been jumping from place to place; so if you want to be consistent with that, the WGA strike should come first. But if you want to keep the momentum of your last post going, and maintain a stronger chronological fidelity (which is really a matter of personal taste), then go with the video game update first.

I have no preference either way. I eagerly await the next update, whatever it may be :)
 
The Atari Panther in 1991 would have what speed of SparcLite CPU? I'm guessing 10-15 MHz or so, but I'm not an expert.

Well, the OTL Atari Jaguar used a 16 MHz Motorola 68000 (when they could have gotten a 68020, a Hitachi SH-2, or a MIPS R3000 with twice the clock speed for only $25 more by 1994), which ran at 1/2 the clock speed of the rest of the chipset (except for the sound chip JERRY, which ran at three times the clock speed of the 68000). And since it executes one instruction every 1/4 clock cycle, there's plenty of reason most of the Atari homebrew community bypasses it to bang TOM, JERRY, and the Blitter directly, and most Jaguar emulator writers put in a 68030/68040/68060 softcore emulation instead.

Anyway, if I am to believe your notes, the technology roadmap looks to have been accelerated compared to OTL by about a year or two. That means we have SuperSPARC, MicroSPARC, and Fujitsu SPARClite. SuperSPARC gets 4 instructions/clock, and the most overall MIPS with a clock speed of 60MHz, but it also runs 7 times as hot as MicroSPARC, and even MicroSPARC at 40 MHz is overkill compared to the 9.2 MHz 68000 in the Genesis and 3.57 MHz Ricoh 5A22 in the SNES. (SPARCLite's instructions per clock, process size, process method {but I'm assuming CMOS}, transistor count, power draw, and even voltages are frustratingly unavalable, but it was clocked 60 MHz and 108MHz.)

On the other hand, if Sun Commodore doesn't need to pay vender markup (Because they are a vendor), I'd say go for it. But methinks it may need NEO-GEO beating graphics hardware and sound to take full advantage of that CPU.

As the Creator said to Rand al'Thor at Tarwin's Gap near the end of The Eye of the World, it's all up to you!
 
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I think the Sparclite can work.

Now that i read Something, SNES have a little CPU because some special chips in the cartidge give some 'sub-processing' like the FX and some others, thus saving the Console to overprice with a better procesador

And even some notes say than the true reason why Nintendo Drop with Philips was than the CD-Addron will need a better co-procesador and with Philips little experience if that matters and other, the proyect was scraped and give the license for the distrasous CDi with those zelda games...

maybe here nintendo will want a 'Improve' Snes.. more if the boom of Microcomputers-Consoles is still active.. or maybe release the add-on before both Sony & Philips Desilutions?
 
I haven't commented much, but I'm really liking the timeline so far! (Especially the video game/computer stuff, that's more my interest) A lot of twists afoot...
I think the Sparclite can work.

Now that i read Something, SNES have a little CPU because some special chips in the cartidge give some 'sub-processing' like the FX and some others, thus saving the Console to overprice with a better procesador

And even some notes say than the true reason why Nintendo Drop with Philips was than the CD-Addron will need a better co-procesador and with Philips little experience if that matters and other, the proyect was scraped and give the license for the distrasous CDi with those zelda games...

maybe here nintendo will want a 'Improve' Snes.. more if the boom of Microcomputers-Consoles is still active.. or maybe release the add-on before both Sony & Philips Desilutions?
My understanding is that the SNES CPU is what it is not only because of add-on carts, but because early versions intended backwards-compatible with the NES, or at least facilitate porting (like <i>Super Mario All-Stars</i>)- the 65c816 is pretty much ideal for that kind of situation, it even has a 6502 emulation mode.
 
1987 & 1988 Pop Culture NEWS OF THE WORLD Report
The 1987 & 1988 Pop Culture NEWS OF THE WORLD Report

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Star Trek: Boldly Going Into Ratings

Fox has found their breakout show as Star Trek: The New Frontier continues to perform well on their network. The popularity of the syndicated episodes has brought a number of new affiliates to the network to take advantage of the "air the previous week's episode, switch to the Fox feed for the new episode" deal and Fox is planning to go to a full schedule for the 1988-1989 season. Among the many shows being considered are, of course, a number of science fiction programs.



Star Trek Movie Watch: Shatner's Hairpiece Vs. The Studio

The fifth Star Trek movie, to be directed by William Shatner as per his contract, is running into all kinds of problems with Paramount unhappy about the script. At the moment Paramount is attempting to get around Shatner's contract to bring in a new production team but with Shatner's ego on the line this could go in a number of directions. At least there's a major videogame coming for the classic Star Trek franchise.



Moonlighting Thrown Into The Sunshine


Rumours are swirling on the once popular television show that the cast is ready to revolt. With the massive success of Die Hard turning Bruce Willis into a star and with Cybill Shepard's children taking her time it looks like the show might not be coming back and the decline in ratings (probably because neither star happens to be on screen much) isn't helping the situation. The idea of a two-hour movie event has been mooted, along with a potentially shortened final season but nothing has been decided.

Die Hard's blend of terrorism fake-outs, corporate malfeasance, and incredible action sequences have led it to the top of the box office and has given Bruce Willis more than enough clout to escape from Moonlighting. It's more or less assumed that he'll take it but nobody knows what his contract requires.[1]



The Corporations Are Coming For You

It looks like multiple competing film projects are in the works in Hollywood spurred by the popularity of cyberpunk perhaps best known by 20 Minutes into the Future, the Max Headroom television show. Not much information yet but Metropolis is the title of one of them, another is a sequel, and one or more of them is based on a book or short story. Interestingly two of them share a writer.


Star Trek: The New Frontier Faces Last Frontier?

The upcoming Writers Guild of America strike is causing major problems for multiple television shows, the popular Star Trek being one of them. Apparently they are considering multiple British writers and consulting with Patrick Stewart about them given his long-time work in British theatre. If they are unable to secure a writing deal it seems probable that the second season will be the last.

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Batman Can't Save Gotham


With no final script turned in it looks like Tim Burton's Batman has gone into turnaround, with studio problems with the cast and Burton's vision contributing to the woes it faces. The only thing known for certain is that production will not be happening in time for a 1989 release. Michael Keaton has possibly already left the film, although Jack Nicholson remains committed to the project.



Ghostbusters II Isn't Funny?

Pre-production has halted on Ghostbusters II as Ivan Reitman & Bill Murray have demanded script rewrites despite the filming schedule. Columbia chief David Puttnam is apparently furious, but it appears the director and cast have the upper hand on this one with Bill Murray being willing to walk away without a new script.



Strike Off?

Potential compromise reached! It seems possible that the Writer's Guild of America has reached a deal with the counter parties and that means we have the Fall season of television after all. Hollywood has been widely effected but if television shows can still get on the air for September than perhaps the networks will come out of this unscathed.



Your License To Kill Has Been Revoked

The planned 1990 James Bond film is apparently jeopardized by legal trouble. With the sale of MGM/UA being planned Danjaq, the Swiss-based parent company of Eon Productions, has deep concerns about probable bidder Qintex and their relationship with Pathé. Nevertheless pre-production has begun but with legal struggle adding to the woes of Pierce Brosnan's potential withdrawal everything seems to be in flux for the next time we hear "Bond, James Bond" on screen.



The Japanese Are Invading… With Telepathic Mutants?

Massive Japanese animated hit Akira is coming to America for a 1988 fall release. The combination of near-future Tokyo and superpowers seems to have hit a chord with some executives at MGM/UA and they are planning a major campaign for it. There isn't been a mainstream animated movie aimed at adults anytime recently and we're hearing that Disney is considering one as well, if Akira does decently at the box office.



Strike Continues, All Bored

The WGA strike has pushed back most television launches to at least October, leaving the networks scrambling for additional programming. This seems to have secured 20 Minutes into the Future a prime spot on ABC as it's a British produced show. However that's one of the few scripted shows that will be making an appearance on time. Star Trek: The New Frontier closed out its second season with episodes written by a collection of British playwrights (although somewhat jarring, reviews were favourable) but a late third season launch is causing problems at Fox.



Animation Domination!

The performance of Akira at the US box office seems to be leading to a boom in adult animation. Fox has announced the Simpsons, based on shorts from the Tracey Ullman Show, to premiere in the spring of 1990. Disney rumours continue about a new film aimed with an older audience in mind. Finally Hollywood money seems to be moving into a number of Japanese studios as they look for the next Akira.



What Will James Cameron Blow Up Next?

There aren't any details but it appears that James Cameron has decided not to film his screenplay The Abyss because of an intriguing offer by a Hollywood studio for another project. After Terminator and Aliens the man is a hot commodity as a director and it appears he'll be doing another science fiction movie. Aliens III or Terminator 2 both seem like strong contenders but there's no confirmation as of yet and there may be an entirely different movie in contention.



Planes, Spies, And… Science Fiction?

Fresh off the back-to-back hits of Top Gun and The Living Daylights Tony Scott is one of perhaps a dozen directors considered the best "gets" in Hollywood. However it seems like he might be working with his brother, Ridley Scott, for his next movie. The two brothers have a very different style but if one wants to combine the thrilling action of The Living Daylights and the brilliant Blade Runner… there won't be any complaints. Nothing is certain yet except that both Scotts' are deeply involved with major projects.



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[1] Die Hard has a somewhat different plot ITTL for obvious Japan-related reasons and does somewhat better at the box office. It also has a longer shoot than OTL which make the Moonlighting ratings problems worse.

[2] The nacelles should not have that weird bend in the struts and should look more like the Excelsior nacelles but otherwise that's more or less how the alternate Enterprise-C looks. I apologize for not having any 3D model rendering skills.


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A short update to get ducks in order. After this we're moving to cover technology and videogames in 1988-1989 and after that… well, those are surprises.
 
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Maybe James Cameron decides to read a certain comic book for inspiration for his next movie...;)

And killing Tim Burton's Batman is nigh unforgivable!:mad:

Would be interesting to see TNG cancelled, only to have the franchise restored later on under a different focus altogether. Is J. Michael Straczynski still pitching his crazy space station series?
 
Maybe James Cameron decides to read a certain comic book for inspiration for his next movie...;)

And killing Tim Burton's Batman is nigh unforgivable!:mad:

Would be interesting to see TNG cancelled, only to have the franchise restored later on under a different focus altogether. Is J. Michael Straczynski still pitching his crazy space station series?
As long as it's the same comic book he fell in love with IOTL, I'm game :p
 
207 posts in over three years? You need to get into it more :). I do indeed. I imagine some of the stuff we talked about will make its way into this timeline, in some form or another.

What can I say? While I'm mostly just posting in Ameriwank these days, I do lurk about for quite a few timelines. It's just that I doubt I ever have too much to say on a subject. But it's good to hear that our discussion will be put to good use!

I have to say that if you do the Atari/Sega/Nintendo console race here, I don't really see much point in me doing a different version of the same idea, however.

I don't know about the present but I have the '90s sketched out in tech/videogame terms.

Well, that's understandable. In one sense, when you get far enough from a POD, it obviously becomes very hard to guess what tech is going to look like in ITTL. Or, really, what pop culture would look like in general. Still, either way: what would your current estimate be for how many chapters Earthquake Weather will be getting?

You'll have to find alternative means to get the 1985 film (the HD quality DVD is held up on right's issues) but there is a decent boxset of Max Headroom. It's only standard definition because the original film was lost, but it does look solid.

Sounds like it's something I'll certainly have to check out. After all, a TV show done by a (quite literal) talking head? Color me intrigued. For the uninitiated, what might a good modern parallel be?

Sun Commodore gets to a) point to Nintendo's NES because everyone has realized it's a console by now, and b) to retailers they can say they are a brand new company with Commodore's rather more impressive legacy (compared to Atari).

Well, speaking of Atari's former legacy: has Atari Games been charged with the updating of any 2600 or 5200 titles to bring to the 7800? It seems like something that, I think, eventually Sun Commodore could capitalize on. 'Remember us? We were the very first game company. What do those Sega or Nintendo upstarts know?"

It's not like OTL's Sega Master System did gangbusters. Heck I'm the only person I've ever known who even had one. ITTL they just do worse.

Well, definitely. It was just a bit saddening to a Sega fan who's recently got into that once great company that they seem to be down and out in my neck of the woods right now. Just hoping they'll bounce back over here. :)

Computer stuff.

Thanks for clearing that up. Computer development ITTL does sound like it's going to be a much different ride than it was in OTL. The fact that at least one Japanese company going into computers sounds like the computer market is going to be much less homogenized (that is, American-based) than OTL. Granted, NeXT is still U.S.-based, but I mean more along the lines of manufacturers for the hardware and software.

I get the feeling that certain companies will likely dominate in certain parts of the world up to the present (even if you don't go that far), such as Sun Commodore in Europe. Would that probably be a good assessment?

SunOS is probably the closest thing to Linux IOTL, and indeed Sun Microsystems could probably have smashed the whole Linux on servers thing if they had made different moves IOTL.

Really? Didn't know that (well, I don't know much about computers in general). However, I do have to ask that, obviously taking butterflies into account, we'll eventually get an update as to what Linus Torvalds is doing ITTL instead...

Technically they're looking for someone to help them with Western games.

Ah, ok. Makes sense. I suppose there's a lot of ways that this could go ITTL; even in Japan, too, three companies that are battling for developer exclusivity could lead to some odd, fun situations. I'd wish we could discuss a few companies that could still stick around, but I'm guessing many of them have been butterflied by this point.

All of that said, an Apple-Nintendo alliance would be cool.

And isn't the Rule of Cool reason enough to do something? :D

It's more or less the same things Sega was doing IOTL in Japan.

Really? I was always under the impression that since Sega was technically based in Japan, even if it was founded by foreigners, it never really had that many problems attracting customers. Guess you learn something new every day, though.

Atari snippet.

Neat stuff. I'm guessing that at some point we'll possibly get a breakdown as to who's bringing in what companies into their orbit to work as 'X company exclusive'? Basically, 2nd party developers, more or less.

I'm sure the idea came to Joel Hodgson before 1988 so although the name might change it's quite possible to see it :).

Hey, any pop culture TL where MST3K shows up is bound to be 10x greater than it already could be. :p
 
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the second game in a series I really like came out in 1988.

Which game? I'll do a game roundup sometime in the next few posts mostly covering things that changed (using OTL screenshots, because that's what I've got of course) and assuming it's reasonably big I'm happy to include it.

Well, you have to be happy with the flow of things. As it stands right now, you've been jumping from place to place;

Within a couple years worth of boundaries, basically. I haven't done anything from 1989 for instance although a little bit is in the update. Partially because pop culture changes took longer to happen than tech changes & partially to keep the timeline within a couple years of sync.

Anyway, if I am to believe your notes, the technology roadmap looks to have been accelerated compared to OTL by about a year or two.

Certain ideas are moved ahead a couple years. The actual ability to do them is not. So a RISC processor based off of SPARC in 1991 is entirely possible, but it won't be any better than if they had did it IOTL.

SPARCLite's instructions per clock, process size, process method {but I'm assuming CMOS}, transistor count, power draw, and even voltages are frustratingly unavalable, but it was clocked 60 MHz and 108MHz.)

Since I'm making SparcLite up out of whole cloth (but based on the PowerPC of OTL) I'm afraid that everything is going to be "frustratingly unavailable". Alas :).

That said SPARC IOTL had a 14 MHz part in 1987 and I figure SparcLite can match that in 1991 for a reasonable price/heat. AMD 29k for instance is in that area, albeit with different market segments.

On the other hand, if Sun Commodore doesn't need to pay vender markup (Because they are a vendor), I'd say go for it. But methinks it may need NEO-GEO beating graphics hardware and sound to take full advantage of that CPU.

Ah, thanks. What if they do an N64 style thing where they overburden their fast CPU with sound and some graphics? Sun Commodore obviously has the experience to make a great GPU and CPU, but to what extent can they scale it back to make it affordable?

As the Creator said to Rand al'Thor at Tarwin's Gap near the end of The Eye of the World, it's all up to you!

Would the last book just come out? I suffered through a decade of dreck hoping for the books to be as good as the first six and then they get a new and decent writer and I just want the last book!

Now that i read Something, SNES have a little CPU because some special chips in the cartidge give some 'sub-processing' like the FX and some others, thus saving the Console to overprice with a better procesador

Yes some SNES cartridges had extra processing units of various types. It'll probably still happen ITTL, but to a slightly lesser degree for reasons that will be obvious in a bit.

Maybe James Cameron decides to read a certain comic book for inspiration for his next movie...;)

I will leave that to your excellent hands. My James Cameron will be doing something different :).

And killing Tim Burton's Batman is nigh unforgivable!:mad:

Well I've killed the 1989 release. A 1990 release could still happen. And at the end of the day it's not like 1989 Batman didn't have plenty of problems….

Would be interesting to see TNG cancelled, only to have the franchise restored later on under a different focus altogether. Is J. Michael Straczynski still pitching his crazy space station series?

Captain Power was amazing, after all. I'm sure he'll find work somewhere :).

I haven't commented much, but I'm really liking the timeline so far! (Especially the video game/computer stuff, that's more my interest) A lot of twists afoot...

I figured, and like I said more of that is in the next post. I don't know if you do remember, but please don't reveal the naming conventions of Sony computers :). I was terribly proud of the idea last time and I want this audience to be surprised.

Ooh, this could mean some interesting things for Anime down the road.

Akira seemed to fit nicely into a world that's just a little more unstable than OTL in certain areas. Personally I've always loved around half of the movie, and had huge problems with the other half but I can certainly appreciate it. (Where half != a contiguous segment.)

As long as it's the same comic book he fell in love with IOTL, I'm game :p

Wow. A Jeremiah fan (assuming that's what you mean). That's… unlikely ITTL but I really loved a good chunk of what that show did IOTL to the extent, watching it on TMN in Canada, I was honestly upset.

I have to say that if you do the Atari/Sega/Nintendo console race here, I don't really see much point in me doing a different version of the same idea, however.

Oh please no. The culture timelines boom is awesome (and I'll throw in tech on that front, because that tiny boom died years ago on the board), and I'm sure you have ideas for your own. As I recall we certainly had different thoughts on various aspects of the race so I think you should go for it.

what would your current estimate be for how many chapters Earthquake Weather will be getting?

When I run out of pictures? I am incredibly happy with the various pictures I've been putting in, not least because few timelines can do that, and I figure when I can no longer repurpose pictures I'll end it. That'll probably take a while because there's plenty of pictures to abuse :).

Just think about all the OTL games that I can (re-) use and give a different name, I think I'll be okay. If anyone ever guesses my favourite game of all time they get a bottle of bourbon (no, not that; or that; or that). When I say bottle of bourbon, I mean the good stuff, and I'm fairly certain I've never mentioned the best (IMO) game of all time on this forum :).

Sounds like it's something I'll certainly have to check out. After all, a TV show done by a (quite literal) talking head? Color me intrigued. For the uninitiated, what might a good modern parallel be?

Dark Angel I suppose is the closest we've had to cyberpunk on the television since. It goes off the rails in the second season but there is a lot of interesting things to pick out. The pilot, which I watched a couple months ago, still holds up.

Well, speaking of Atari's former legacy: has Atari Games been charged with the updating of any 2600 or 5200 titles to bring to the 7800? It seems like something that, I think, eventually Sun Commodore could capitalize on. 'Remember us? We were the very first game company. What do those Sega or Nintendo upstarts know?"

That's a pretty good advertising tag (incidentally if anyone knows of marketing companies looking for staff in Calgary, send me a PM :), I could use a better job). A lot of 2600/5200 games simply don't translate to more modern systems and Atari Games is primarily tasked with designing stuff for the Atari Panther.

Well, definitely. It was just a bit saddening to a Sega fan who's recently got into that once great company that they seem to be down and out in my neck of the woods right now. Just hoping they'll bounce back over here. :)

I imagine few of the people reading this played the best Saturn games considering how limited the distribution was (poor Burning Rangers & Panzer Dragoon Saga & many others) but certainly the creative rebirth of Sega's studios might well happen ITTL.

I get the feeling that certain companies will likely dominate in certain parts of the world up to the present (even if you don't go that far), such as Sun Commodore in Europe. Would that probably be a good assessment?

Taps nose. The difference ITTL is that Apple REDACTED and Sun Commodore handles the C64 transition far better with lower priced Amiga computers and the C74 as a better interim step. So at the very least Microsoft Windows isn't a conquering hero.

I have no problems with modern Microsoft (except that I miss J Allard's Courier project), indeed I consider their Metro interface wildly superior to other smartphones, but in the 1990s? Incredibly nasty hardball and the crappy product beating out the good ones. Their ability doesn't change, but the situation does.

Really? Didn't know that (well, I don't know much about computers in general). However, I do have to ask that, obviously taking butterflies into account, we'll eventually get an update as to what Linus Torvalds is doing ITTL instead...

Yeah if Sun Microsystems had been willing to embrace low-cost servers in the late 1990s than Linux would have died as a mainstream idea. Solaris was a much better operating system backed by a major company (support, customer service, etc…) but Sun didn't sell low-cost servers and Linux based operating systems did.

As for Linus Torvalds he is attending the University of Helsinki in 1988.

even in Japan, too, three companies that are battling for developer exclusivity could lead to some odd, fun situations. I'd wish we could discuss a few companies that could still stick around, but I'm guessing many of them have been butterflied by this point.

Sure. The main thing is that Nintendo is vastly in the lead in sales and therefore can clamp down on Japanese developers in Japan/USA but not so much elsewhere (another major factor in helping the Sega Master System in smaller markets).

If there are any companies you want me to discuss feel free to name them and I'll see what I can do.

Really? I was always under the impression that since Sega was technically based in Japan, even if it was founded by foreigners, it never really had that many problems attracting customers. Guess you learn something new every day, though.

CSK, a very Japanese company, owned them by the time consoles started coming out.

Sega managed excellent relations with Western developers IOTL because they gave them way more freedom than Nintendo. Despite Sega of America from the Genesis on (IOTL) being by far the smarter side of the company Sega of Japan managed to screw them over in the hopes of getting more Japanese market share. Hence the Dreamcast not using a 3dfx Voodoo GPU & much of the Saturn's ideas.

Neat stuff. I'm guessing that at some point we'll possibly get a breakdown as to who's bringing in what companies into their orbit to work as 'X company exclusive'? Basically, 2nd party developers, more or less.

I hate you so very much because that is tons of work :). Yes, we'll see how exclusives shake out at some point.

Hey, any pop culture TL where MST3K is bound to be 10x greater than it already could be. :p

Such a great show. I can't imagine it being a major focus of this timeline but I'll try and throw in the odd reference (there's a very long story of mine about how I got to see the movie). Hence Mutiny in Space as the leading image of the last update.
 
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I'm particularly interested in what you're going to be doing with Rumiko Takahashi and Akira Toriyama ITTL.
 
Electric Monk, I hope you have a lot of free time on your hands, because otherwise you're making me look downright lazy in comparison! :eek:

Among the many shows being considered are, of course, a number of science fiction programs.
Ah, you've perfectly encapsulated the Follow the Leader mentality of television production. The most pressing question is whether J. Michael Straczynski might be among those approaching FOX with his idea about a space-station-bound show; one that I note others have also asked, and that you have tactfully ignored ;)

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The fifth Star Trek movie, to be directed by William Shatner as per his contract, is running into all kinds of problems with Paramount unhappy about the script. At the moment Paramount is attempting to get around Shatner's contract to bring in a new production team but with Shatner's ego on the line this could go in a number of directions.
I really do not see this ending well. It really is telling that, for however much Shatner has redeemed himself in the public eye IOTL, with his self-deprecating routine, he truly was a massive egotist who deserved a major humbling. (And might still be, for all we know; maybe he's just gotten better at hiding it.) I suppose, on the bright side, that it couldn't be any worse than OTL - right?

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At least there's a major videogame coming for the classic Star Trek franchise.
I just hope that my two favourite Star Trek games - the PC adventure serials 25th Anniversary and Judgment Rites - will both exist ITTL.

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If they are unable to secure a writing deal it seems probable that the second season will be the last.
Don't be a tease :p

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The only thing known for certain is that production will not be happening in time for a 1989 release. Michael Keaton has possibly already left the film, although Jack Nicholson remains committed to the project.
No Michael Keaton? :eek: Fanboys in the era will probably be relieved, but they'll have no idea what they were missing. Assuming that the ultimate Batman movie, with a different star ITTL, is released, I've no doubt that "WI Michael Keaton starred as Batman" will become a popular pop culture POD, as debated by Heart Container and Cyberpunk Abbot, among others :p No doubt everyone will talk about how horrible the movie would have been, if the version of TTL is also a big hit.

Alternatively, you could just chicken out again and keep Keaton ;)

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Nevertheless pre-production has begun but with legal struggle adding to the woes of Pierce Brosnan's potential withdrawal everything seems to be in flux for the next time we hear "Bond, James Bond" on screen.
It'll be interesting to see which way you take this disagreement. It could go the way of GoldenEye, or it could go the way of Skyfall. It all depends on such a delicate combination of factors that I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess. Looking forward to seeing how this quagmire is resolved! For maximum irony points: Timothy Dalton is cast to replace Brosnan :cool:

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Massive Japanese animated hit Akira is coming to America for a 1988 fall release.
The obvious upside, at least to its supporters? Earlier anime boom. The obvious downside? The same thing :p

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There isn't been a mainstream animated movie aimed at adults anytime recently and we're hearing that Disney is considering one as well, if Akira does decently at the box office.
Now that would be something. Especially an adult-targeted film boom in which the profoundly over-rated and under-talented Ralph Bakshi (who, sadly, dominated the 1970s) has no involvement. Although... saying that, assuming Roger Rabbit goes down as scheduled, we'll probably see him create *Cool World, as IOTL, and perhaps produce a film closer to his original vision as a result.

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This seems to have secured 20 Minutes into the Future a prime spot on ABC as it's a British produced show. However that's one of the few scripted shows that will be making an appearance on time.
A very clever way to use the otherwise destructive strike to save a show - in the process cementing it as a pop culture mainstay.

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Fox has announced the Simpsons, based on shorts from the Tracey Ullman Show, to premiere in the spring of 1990.
Well, it looks like Simpsonmania will still exist ITTL, even if the full force of it will be slightly delayed. It also means that it won't premiere with "Simpsons Roasting On A Open Fire" - perhaps a better-animated "Some Enchanted Evening" (given the longer lead time) instead?

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Die Hard has a somewhat different plot ITTL for obvious Japan-related reasons and does somewhat better at the box office. It also has a longer shoot than OTL which make the Moonlighting ratings problems worse.
Sadly, this change deprives us of my favourite line from that movie: "Alas, your Mr. Takagi did not see it that way, so... he won't be joining us for the rest of his life." Though I certainly hope the casting was the same. Alan Rickman as the definitive action villain? Carl Winslow as the cop? (What a stretch, I know.) I could take or leave Bonnie Bedelia, I guess...

Maybe James Cameron decides to read a certain comic book for inspiration for his next movie...;)
You would like that, wouldn't you? Well, why not? There are certainly enough victorious CSA timelines...

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Would be interesting to see TNG cancelled, only to have the franchise restored later on under a different focus altogether.
I like the first part of that statement. Except that it's called TNF ;)

Looking forward to more, Electric Monk, as always :)
 
Which game? I'll do a game roundup sometime in the next few posts mostly covering things that changed (using OTL screenshots, because that's what I've got of course) and assuming it's reasonably big I'm happy to include it.
Might & Magic II: Gates to Another World, so... maybe reasonably big enough? It got releases on pretty much every available platforms that could handle the game, at least.

Of course, for the future there might be the possibility that New World Computing remains an independent developer and publisher...
 
Ghostbusters II Isn't Funny?

Pre-production has halted on Ghostbusters II as Ivan Reitman & Bill Murray have demanded script rewrites despite the filming schedule. Columbia chief David Puttnam is apparently furious, but it appears the director and cast have the upper hand on this one with Bill Murray being willing to walk away without a new script.

I didn't think anyone could save Ghostbusters II!
 
Of note is that I changed the opening image for the last post as a side bonus of the research for other stuff. It's now this:


I'm particularly interested in what you're going to be doing with Rumiko Takahashi and Akira Toriyama ITTL.

I think both are doing similar things at this point in time (too bad, I never liked Dragonball) but Ranma 1/2 in particular might get cancelled earlier or live on elsewhere as Hollywood money begins to effect the Japanese animation industry.

Electric Monk, I hope you have a lot of free time on your hands, because otherwise you're making me look downright lazy in comparison! :eek:

It was a short update! Also I haven't been sleeping much lately.

Ah, you've perfectly encapsulated the Follow the Leader mentality of television production.

It's happening in Hollywood too, but you'll have to wait and see on that front.

I really do not see this ending well. It really is telling that, for however much Shatner has redeemed himself in the public eye IOTL, with his self-deprecating routine, he truly was a massive egotist who deserved a major humbling. (And might still be, for all we know; maybe he's just gotten better at hiding it.) I suppose, on the bright side, that it couldn't be any worse than OTL - right?

Yeah… Shatner versus the studio in a major conflict is trouble. Of course it could be worse. Things could always be worse!

I just hope that my two favourite Star Trek games - the PC adventure serials 25th Anniversary and Judgment Rites - will both exist ITTL.

Hmm, probably not in the same form alas.

Don't be a tease :p

No Michael Keaton? :eek: Fanboys in the era will probably be relieved, but they'll have no idea what they were missing.

Moi?

Among names considered before Keaton: Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Charlie Sheen, Pierce Brosnan, Tom Selleck and Bill Murray.

As for the Joker if problems persist and Jack Nicholson drops out (or the studio decides to balk at massive fee IOTL): Tim Curry, Willem Dafoe, David Bowie and James Woods.

It'll be interesting to see which way you take this disagreement. It could go the way of GoldenEye, or it could go the way of Skyfall. It all depends on such a delicate combination of factors that I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess. Looking forward to seeing how this quagmire is resolved! For maximum irony points: Timothy Dalton is cast to replace Brosnan :cool:

The Reverse Dalton. The OTL lawsuits didn't start up until the sale but were easily complex and far-reaching enough to start pre-sale. ITTL Daniq is slightly more up-to-date about the potential problems and opens up with the hounds from hell, I mean lawyers, which causes major headaches at MGM/UA and potential buyers.

Well, it looks like Simpsonmania will still exist ITTL, even if the full force of it will be slightly delayed. It also means that it won't premiere with "Simpsons Roasting On A Open Fire" - perhaps a better-animated "Some Enchanted Evening" (given the longer lead time) instead?

I figured the Simpsons were doomed ITTL with Star Trek so dominating Fox, until I had the bright idea of Akira. Luckily for me that was also one of the most well-made Japanese films in terms of animation quality and so American audiences respond positively.

Sadly, this change deprives us of my favourite line from that movie: "Alas, your Mr. Takagi did not see it that way, so... he won't be joining us for the rest of his life." Though I certainly hope the casting was the same. Alan Rickman as the definitive action villain? Carl Winslow as the cop? (What a stretch, I know.) I could take or leave Bonnie Bedelia, I guess...

I never liked Bonnie Bedelia that much. Consider her tossed :). As for the rest of the cast it's essentially the same because I agree on the excellence, minus the Asian actors, and your favourite line will only have a name change.

Of course, for the future there might be the possibility that New World Computing remains an independent developer and publisher...

Indeed, as the different console market almost certainly means Trip Hawkins does different things. Even if the 3DO is around he might not buy New World Computing.

I didn't think anyone could save Ghostbusters II!

They were so reluctant about it in the first place I imagine a big blow-up could easily force the movie back into rewrites.
 
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As for the Joker if problems persist and Jack Nicholson drops out (or the studio decides to balk at massive fee IOTL): Tim Curry, Willem Dafoe, David Bowie and James Woods.

So you have the tension between a slightly increased demand for a 'darker' Batman ITTL and the inevitable shtickyness Tim Curry (the likely candidate out of that bunch) would bring to the Joker....

I figured the Simpsons were doomed ITTL with Star Trek so dominating Fox, until I had the bright idea of Akira. Luckily for me that was also one of the most well-made Japanese films in terms of animation quality and so American audiences respond positively.

Maybe some of the Robotech projects (The Sentinels? An American adaptation of Macross II?) get made ITTL?
 
Just wondering; have you thought of the non-animated studios of Japan? I'm mostly thinking of Toho (Godzilla), Daiei (Gamera), and Tsuburaya (Ultraman), but there's also Toei (Power Rangers).

I should re-read the passages concerning damage; but do you have anything in mind for their present and feature?
 
So you have the tension between a slightly increased demand for a 'darker' Batman ITTL and the inevitable shtickyness Tim Curry (the likely candidate out of that bunch) would bring to the Joker....?)

Well, the Heath Legder Joker from The Dark Knight was argueably no less schticky (aside from the lack of the Bazookavolver and Gigawatt Joy Buzzer), but oh, how scary he was!
 
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Raging 1988-1989 Continuous Blowout of Tech & Videogames
The Raging 1988-1989 Continuous Blowout of Tech & Videogames

Welcome To The Next Level.

(Sega Mars tagline in the United States.)



Sun Commodore Stays The Course

Sun Commodore opened the new year of 1988 with a pair of new computers, the Amiga 1500 and the Amiga 750 which were respectively the high and low end successors to the A1000 and A500. They also released the Atari 7800 Expansion Card which added a new high score saving system, additional RAM for the system, and a new sound chip. As part of this interim stop-gap solution until their Atari Panther console they also revised the main system to the Atari 7800/Enhanced which adds the Expansion Card capabilities to the motherboard.

Market share throughout the year remained in the 15-25% range in North America, however the NEC launch of the PC-Engine (the Atari 7800/Enhanced model) in Japan with a collection of translated Western games and several from Hudson Soft and the second tier of Japanese developers was a niche success. NEC's loose restrictions on content combined with the Western games meant that it saw fairly quick uptake among several different groups of Japanese gamers. The low price might also have helped. As a brand exercise it was quite successful, bringing NEC & Hudson Soft into the argument about consoles.

Development of the SparcLite CPU and the SunAmiga operating system continued apace with a 1991 launch planned for both and so Sun Commodore began to orient its product line towards that with new Amiga computers and the Atari Panther planned for that year. Meanwhile SPARC itself was powering the workstation side of the business into the global lead as performance was simply unmatched for the price.

Sales of the C64/74 remained fairly strong but signs of weakness were widespread. However the lowered price of the Amiga 500 (and also the reasonably low price of the Amiga 750) as well as full C64/74 support began to transition C64/74 customers to the Amiga as Sun Commodore's marketing explicitly pushed it as the obvious next computer to get. To help this transition they announced a trade-in program where an Amiga computer would be reduced in price if you brought in a C64 or C74. As part of a marketing campaign those computers were refurbished and sold very cheaply in third world countries.


Throughout 1989 Sun Commodore continued its string of reasonable performance as their workstations, computers, and console all did very well. In Japan the PC-Engine had built a surprisingly strong foothold in the market, at least partially on novelty, and a number of Japanese games began to make their way over to the Atari 7800 in the United States and Europe. Several of the more enterprising Japanese developers also made C64/74 ports of their titles introducing Japanese style console games to a Western computer audience for the first time. To help that out Sun Commodore released a cheap adaptor that let one use the 7800 controller on both the C64 and C74.

Fujitsu in Japan launched the FM Towns, an AmigaOS clone, touting their powerful graphics capability for a cheap price and NEC was forced into serious problems with no computer of theirs able to compete.



Sega Global

Having been mostly shut out of the North American market as regards the Sega Master System the new console would be launching there second, after Japan, however in an innovative plan Sega was working towards a global 1989 launch of their new console rolling out in Japan, North America, and then Europe/smaller markets. Indeed this 1989 launch would put them at least a year ahead of the Nintendo by all reports and fully two years ahead of the Atari Panther. The obvious trade-off was that the games would not potentially not look as good but Sega was confident that being first would help them build a strong position against the Nintendo juggernaut.

Having chosen not to go in-house Sega turned to Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd (Panasonic, outside Japan) for development of a Compact Disc Drive add-on for the console after seeing the fair amount of success that Nintendo had with the Famicom Disk System. This was scheduled for a 1991 launch opposite the Atari Panther and Sega was strongly considering making it also a powerful upgrade perhaps with extra RAM or even an extra processor.

Sega, in a major coup, also signed Electronic Arts to their new console having promised to match royalties with Atari and naturally being much more free than Nintendo with their restrictions. Perhaps most importantly the deal ensured that John Madden Football would be a timed exclusive launch title.[1]

The Sega Mars launched in the spring of 1989 in Japan and fantastic graphics paved the way for a good start in that market, especially since top tier Japanese developers such as Capcom, Namco, and Konami all released titles for it. In 1989 those were mostly upgraded versions of NES games but nevertheless the show of support was important. A summer 1989 launch in North America went much more smoothly than the failed Sega Master System as Sega successfully advertised their graphics in commercials and suddenly the NES and Atari 7800 looked incredibly out of date. Finally the Western Europe/Brazil/Australia/New Zealand joint fall-winter launch brought the Sega Mars into its strongholds, where reception was fantastic. With only the Amiga computers able to compete on graphics (and those were rather more money) the Sega Mars was off to a roaring start. However the games in 1989, with the notable exception of John Madden Football in the USA, were not particularly good and Sega turned its efforts towards having a new mascot….



Nintendo & Apple Sitting In A Tree, K I S S I N G

Nintendo had been looking for a potential partner that was strong in Western computer games to combat the Atari 7800's strong support there. For obvious reasons Sun Commodore, the strongest player in that market, was out but the Apple II had been a longtime player in that space. The Apple IIGS CPU was deliberately downclocked to not compete with the Macintosh and by adopting that CPU (although using different graphics chips) and speeding it up to 4 MHz from 2.8 MHz this would allow fairly easy porting of Apple IIGS videogames.[2]

Nintendo also began talks with various companies over the design of the freshly named Super NES and by a complicated process Sony would make the sound chip[3]. This also gave them a leg-up in bidding for the SNES CD drive but bids were solicited from several other companies including Phillips. In the end Nintendo simply postponed their decision, with internal developers not entirely happy about the CD's slow loading times and inability to save games on it.

The NES continued to be a very successful console in Japan and North America and began making headway in Europe. Although not a major contender they did do better in Europe (a market about half the size of North America at the time) than Sega was doing in North America and at the least if you wanted to buy a NES you could find one.

By 1989 Nintendo was once again in talks over a potential CD drive and this time Sony suggested their brand new MiniDisc platform. Rewritable and with faster load times than a CD (if less storage) were strongly appealing to Nintendo and both companies began to work on the SNES MiniDisc Drive for a launch sometime in 1993.[4]


Meanwhile Apple cut prices sharply on the Macintosh trading margins for sales as Motorola launched the Motorola Macintosh Mach I (the triple "m"), the first clone of the Apple Macintosh. This was followed in 1989 by the IBM Macintosh THINK Box. Meanwhile AMD had entered into negotiations to sell their Macintosh license to a third party.

The Apple Newton project, started in 1987, continued with a variety of conflicting goals. It's notable that Del Yocam, Apple's COO, let the project continue despite its expense given his usually tough stance on such things. Indeed Apple's R&D had been heavily cut down from its lavish ways in an effort to streamline the company.

The AMD-IBM-Motorola (AIM) Power project taped out in the spring of 1989 and by the fall IBM had several servers for sale using it. More importantly to the personal computing world was the continued development of PowerClear as Apple was hard at work adapting the Mac OS to run on it.


Sony's NeXTStep

Sony didn't have anything particularly interesting happen in 1988.

On the other hand 1989 was a huge year for Sony. The release of NeXTStep 1.0, the MiniDisc, and of course the brand new computers running it.

As Sony lacked any internal computer case design team they turned to the Audio group of the company. In response they came up with a computer that rather than being a beige box looked like a high-end piece of audio equipment. The higher-ups at Sony were quite impressed and also got them to make the MiniDisc drive.

The Sony CyberDeck[5] is launched with major fanfare in Japan. Besides running NeXTStep they are also gorgeous computers, equipped with an optional MiniDisc accessory and reasonably powerful as they used the MIPS processor from MIPS Computer Systems. Naturally they were also rather expensive and so much of their sales in Japan were as workstations, a market that had weak competitors at the time in Japan. However they were also used as a home computer by more upscale clients and indeed their very existence brought major pressure to bear on the state of personal computing in Japan.


The MiniDisc standard was released for license and Sony launched a variety of hardware:
  • Walkman MD.
  • Dual CD/MD Deck designed to transfer CD tracks to an MD, it can also connect to a computer so the computer can use both CDs and MDs (this causes headaches in CD rental stores in Japan until rental-specific CDs begin to be released).
  • MiniDisc Deck for computers that already have a CD drive and don't need the dual CD/MD Deck.
They also sign up a number of companies to put out albums on the MiniDisc format for people that aren't buying the at-launch rather expensive Decks. Finally the two MD Decks came with drivers for all major operating systems as well as several Japanese-specific models on an included MiniDisc and Sony set to work to get everybody to include as part of a standard OS release.



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[1] IOTL Sega backed down on cartridge prices to get John Madden Football. ITTL they drop that fee earlier and have done a good job courting developers so they'll actually make more money and earlier as the game will be released in 1989 instead of 1990.

[2] IOTL the SNES's Ricoh 5A22 was based on the same CPU. ITTL they just use the actual CPU, slightly faster than OTL, because of a deal with Apple to help them with cross-platform porting.

[3] Similar to how it worked IOTL, despite butterflies. Ken Kutaragi likely still would have bought his daughter a Famicom and it's quite reasonable to assume he did the same things after that.

[4] Feel free to get your pitchforks out, but I think you'd be wrong.

[5] The audio group at the company has parlayed their case design into calling them "decks", with the "cyber" part capitalizing on the global uprise in cyberpunk and "cyber" being seen as a cool and futuristic word.

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Note of course that pictures going forward are obviously going to be a little wrong sometimes. I hope you can overlook this because I enjoy having all the pictures in this timeline and I hope y'all do as well.
 
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The lines has been drawn in the Sand:

1. A resurgent Atari powered by the NEC... that would spell a powerful alliance for the Pather in term of Software in both side of the East Pond...

2. SEGA in TTL become the 'sister of' Matushita... The mother of all Ironies... but know they will do a decent software for the MEGA-CD(please via butterflies made Phantasy Star III being in CD... i know is the weakest of the original tetralogy but with enchaned CD media.. that would threat better the generation system... and have IV: return of alis before the V... Phantasy star as Pentalogy will be amazing)

3. A Titan is forming... a Nintendo SNES, Improved with partial Apple Software and with a future Mini-CD(those looks excelent cyberpunk) Sony... if the three companies manage to be a 'Triforce'... that will be big.

The New details were nice, like Sega having the Planet-theme System(if a Integrated Mars-CD is launch, that would be Jupiter,XD), and the looks of a Mascot... without Sonic... Maybe some original? what would be? Ryo Hazaki is not feasible in this generation, maybe a more Humanoid Animal?

Behold a Console Wars as never seen before...

P.S. If Nintendo manage to keep their relationship with Square... NEC-Atari should bribe Enix to a exclusive port for Dragon Quest... thus the war of RPG(Dragon Quest vs Phantasy Star-Lunar Series VS Final Fantasy-Mana series) will be to have VIP Seats
 
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