Early unwilling USA Entry into WW2

The USA was not likely to enter WW2 due to its isolationist standing.

Let's ay that in 1938, Roosevelt starts building a network of Governors, USA Senators, and Democratic party operatives more loyal to him than re-election prospects. You see, Roosevelt knows how to fix the nation and who cares about damaging your own career if the historians remember you well? Plus, it can't hurt for Roosevelt to give ACTUAL political favors around. So you have one politician whose hometown is surrounded by dead farms? Well, give them relief (by Keynesian economics, aiding them can help because during a liquidity trap it doesn't matter if the money is spent in the best way, just that it's spent making someone work, so it's not corruption but a relief plan).

He convinces the Senate, against the isolationist sentiment of the nation, to first embargo Japan for their aggression against China. Japan later gives a 22 day ultimatum to remove the embargo or there will be war. Then Roosevelt convinces the Senate in 1941 to declare war of Japan before the ultimatum expires. Having him publish details about the Nanking Incident, but preferably there are no independent sources, just government ones.

There are some skirmishes around islands. Japan just shrugs because they were planning to give USA an ultimatum and attack Pearl Harbor if it was declined anyways. I don't know why in OTL they went for a sneak attack instead of that, but this it how it goes in TTL.

Yamamoto assigns a subordinate to handle a strike attack.

Fortunately for the Japanese, the Americans were not on the right war footing. Seven days after their own goverment's declaration of war, and many of their ships were still in port at Pearl Harbor (or you can say they are servicing and preparing for war? I don't know, fill in your best excuse here). The Japanese sail close to Hawaii and a fog obscures most of their approach.

Once the fog lifts, Japan's warships are spotted by the Americans. The Japanese start shelling the ships in dock from a mere 11 km away (improbable yes, but with weather and outdated radar possible). From a much farther distance, the Hiryu and two others launches planes to act as artillery spotters. The Japanese attack is two part, the 11 km firing from surface and a single wave of attack planes (in OTL, it was 2 waves of attack planes). The West Virignia explodes, The Oklahoma is capsized. The California is Sunk in Bay. The Helena, Raleigh, and Honolulu are sunk. Shaw is damaged. The Arizona and two escorts sortie to face off against the attackers and they get beaten back, with the Arizona suffering 3 amour piercing shells and engine damage.

Yamamoto tells his subordinate he outsourced the attack on that he was an idiot for expecting to get to 11 km of the Americans without detection and only the weather saved him. Since it was a bad judgment but good results, no reward or punishment is coming.

The Germans declare war of USA after TTL Pearl Harbor.

The Philippians gets under attack.

There is A battle of Midway, but it's not like OTL. There are so many butterflies that the date is different, the fleet composition is different, and the commanders are different. It's not even a pure air battle And this time, the results are different too. Saratoga is sunk by an enemy submarine, that shortly gets killed off by a destroyer. Lexington is hit by bombs and sunk, while the Enterprise tries to get closer to the battle to shorten flight time ends up falling prey to surface ships (it got too close)

Fortunately, while three carriers were lost while sinking zero enemy battleships or carriers, a lot of the planes landed at... Midway.

American forces in the Philippians seal off the Baatan Peninsula and prepare anti-air defenses.

Meanwhile, Nazi Germany sunk many American civilian ships heading across the Atlantic and they publicize this to the Americas saying "this is your fate if you cross the Atlantic, don't do it until we allow you to"

Imperial Japan acts like a bunch of idiots and asks for the Philippian Islands except for Bataan, Wake Island, and compensation for the embargo earlier. Because those idiots think they can win the war.

How would the American public react? On one hand, Roosevelt convinced the Senate to declare war without popular support, and then seven days later the conversion to war footing isn't even complete. on the othe rhand, they got an ultaiumatium, so is declaring war much different than letting the 22 days expire? Also, the Nazi Germany treatment of their merchant ships must bring some anti-Nazi feelings.

How quickly before Imperial Japan falls to the Americans? 1948?
 
I think the citizen s would pissed and the next election would be a landside for the Republican party. I suspect a peace treaty with at least Germany Possibility Japan. With Japan making a show of how the US propaganda caused the were.
 

CalBear

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Not a chance in the world. NONE, at least not without divine intervention. The U.S. political system simply doesn't work this way.
 

SsgtC

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The Japanese start shelling the ships in dock from a mere 11 km away (improbable yes, but with weather and outdated radar possible).

Not improbable, impossible. Even with shit radar, there is no way in hell IJN battleships make it 5 miles of the coast of HI without being spotted. OTL Japan got more lucky than they had a right to be getting within 200 miles of HI without being seen.
 
Move the POD back? in the 1920s, there were plenty of "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" and "crony politics." (about the only thing missing is actual ballot rigging) Do I need to have a 1920s POD to keep 1930s and 1940s politicians more... caring for fellow party members than the public.
 
Roosevelt would not have been that blind. He knew that America would need to go to war, but America was not ready when he put out the oil embargo. Plus the great depression was still a thing, he started to get out of it when he put the country to work making bullets and bandages for the Allies instead of putting working men on the front line, had he been able to stand on his feet he would have gone and shot both of them by pulling an early war
 
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