Grimm Reaper said:
I see maps of the Ottoman Empire, Armenia, Georgia, etc but none of German lines in 1918 following the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
Umm, we're arguing about the German occupation of the Caucasus here, Grimm. Get your head in the game.
Grimm Reaper said:
Now, since you agree Germany sent troops to the region your argument is basically that since they had not yet dispatched sufficient forces for a full occupation, no doubt due to all the other manpower needs, they never would have. I see no evidence to support this claim.
When were we arguing what the Germans
would-have-done? Hmmm... let's go back upthread and see what you were really talking about.
Grimm: "Germany had already occupied more of Ukraine than permitted, a belt in eastern Belarus/western Russia for alleged 'communication' purposes
AND pushed into the Caucausus including Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and more so unless you can imagine why the Germans wasted manpower and resources to occupy territories they didn't want...and it wasn't poor diplomacy but the fact that the Soviets didn't have a bargaining position in the first place."
Talking about OTL...
Grimm: "The entire Caucausus region was occupied so you're wrong on that."
Still talking about OTL.
I was always arguing whether or not the Germans occupied the entirety of the Caucasus region, not whether they would have occupied the whole of it. You are being quite bizarre, bro.
Grimm Reaper said:
Incidentally your link on the Wikipedia Caucausus Campaign refers specifically to German-Turkish rivalries growing in the region and German forces sent specifically to oppose Turkish acquisition of the region.
Blah, blah, blah, you are changing the question of the debate in order to put yourself in a better position. I gave you that link so you could see the map of the "front lines" there, which YOU SAID, any map of mid-1918 would show German occupation of the entirety of the Caucasus.
Grimm: "Sources? Look up any map of the front lines and occupation zones in mid-1918 and you'll see where the Germans were, including the Caucausus."
Grimm Reaper said:
I might also note that at no point in negotiations did Finland come up as a concession yet Germans soldiers quickly arrived there with plans to put Finland under a German prince.
After the civil war began, and after the declaration of independence by the Finnish people.
Grimm Reaper said:
As an example, the October Revolution took place in November for everyone else.
You're so smart, you've got the Gregorian Calendar and Julian Calendar all figured out, great job!
Grimm Reaper said:
the period of negotiations covered a total of three months from late November's truce to a major offensive in mid-January, followed by another offensive in February. Obviously Germany was not wasting time and Soviet negotiating tactics were not buying any time.
Nope. Major offensive in mid-February, not January. And as for the bolded tactics, you once again show that you are confused as to the issue we are arguing about. Of course Germany didn't want to waste time, the Americans were coming and they had to get soldiers to the Western Front. And the Soviet negotiating tactics bought only a month at best, it was an unsuccessful strategy to bet everything on the hopes that a devastating workers' revolution would break out in Russia, but those were the Soviets, they had a crazy ideology. Do you think I am opposing those assertions?
You're wasting my time, Grimm, so please go get some actual sources and proof. And please, its okay if you admit you're wrong, its not like I care. I just want to make sure the version of history I have built up in my head after years of research is accurate and undisputable.