Early Mexican American War

Do you think there is anyway the US might have intervened in the Texas revolution sparking an early MAW?

Just have Martin van Buren be an expansionist and we have that situation. He could get re-elected if all goes well.

I think the U.S. would be able to get more of the Oregon territory in this timeline since the war with Mexico would be over by then. Not much, since I don't thing there would be another Anglo-American War, but something.
 
If you want a earlier MAW just have the US get involved with one of the 18teens Texas Filibustering Expeditions.
 
Why not have Texas lose the war of independence. Could the US really sit by in the aftermath?

Doubtful. And Texas effectively did lose the war - it just so happened that after the war proper was finished, the Mexican Army camped out a little too casually, and a few guys ran right into it and kidnapped the General/President. All-in-all a rather ludicrous war. No doubt why it's so fricking hard to play Texas in Victoria.
 
Just have Martin van Buren be an expansionist and we have that situation. He could get re-elected if all goes well.

The question would be how well it would go.

I would say Mexico would have a slightly better chance in an early war, though the US still had around 2 times the population of Mexico so the numbers are still quite overwhelming for the Mexicans to overcome.
 
In Lone Star Nation H.W. Brands claims that Houston was secretly working for some Jacksonian plot to create causus beli for just such an early war. He claims that Houston's "retreat" was intended to lure the Mexican army into a fight in the disputed east (Sabine-Nacadochez area) claimed by the US, with the resulting "slaughter of Americans on US territory" the causus needed. Instead Houston's men refused to "keep running" and Santa Anna gave him the perfect opportunity for a Texian victory.

If we assume Brands is right that could be a POD.
 
Earlier Mexican-American War could happen if US annexes Texas after Texas wins independence. It was when Texas became a US state that the chain of events occured that led to US war with Mexico.

Would the US do as well in an earlier war with Mexico?

I support the idea that the Oregon treaty would be slighty more favorable to the US. Perhaps the US gaining the portion of Victoria island that is south of the 49th parallel (maybe all of the island with some sort of payment).
 
I am not so sure the British would give up Victoria island. Though the San Jauns might be clearer set from the beginning avoiding the pig war.

In regards to theory of luring the Mexicans into the disputed zone:
Would Santa Anna be that stupid as to fall for something like that

There is also the question, if the American's won, how Van Burren would have dealt with a defeated Mexico as compared to how Polk did.
 
In regards to theory of luring the Mexicans into the disputed zone:
Would Santa Anna be that stupid as to fall for something like that.

Dunno...would he be stupid enough to divide his army four times and then take a siesta near an enemy army without bothering to post pickets? :p
 
Hmm...Well,does Texas have to be the cause or can something else happen? (ex. Mexican assanition attempt on Van Buren.)
 
The Brands theory rings true, I mean thats exactly how we started the war in the first place, getting some Americans killed in disputed territory.

In fact thats usually the rule for American wars, fabricated or otherwise.
 
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