early 20th century naval sizes

I'm needing to find something that'll tell me the size of the worlds navies in the early 20th century up to WW1. does anyone know where i can look up that info?
 

Saphroneth

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I'm needing to find something that'll tell me the size of the worlds navies in the early 20th century up to WW1. does anyone know where i can look up that info?
Being flippant for a moment, in the pre-WW1 years there were basically two navies. The Royal Navy, and everyone else put together.
The RN was usually about equal. (Out of all the powers in WW1 as of 1914, the RN alone was barely outmassed by everyone else put together)
 
Being flippant for a moment, in the pre-WW1 years there were basically two navies. The Royal Navy, and everyone else put together.
The RN was usually about equal. (Out of all the powers in WW1 as of 1914, the RN alone was barely outmassed by everyone else put together)

um. okay.....

So I'm trying to find something that'll let me know the sizes of the worlds navies in the early 20th century up to WW1. it doesn't have to be all the worlds navies just like the top 10 or so
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
um. okay.....

So I'm trying to find something that'll let me know the sizes of the worlds navies in the early 20th century up to WW1. it doesn't have to be all the worlds navies just like the top 10 or so

Are you looking for just "Germany has X number of battleships, Y armored cruisers, and Z destroyers, while Russia has P battleships, and Q cruisers" or are you looking for more detail than that?
 
Are you looking for just "Germany has X number of battleships, Y armored cruisers, and Z destroyers, while Russia has P battleships, and Q cruisers" or are you looking for more detail than that?

yea that'd work. tonnage & all that'd be cool but just the numbers & types'd be great
 

sharlin

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How far back to do you want to go late 1800's? Ships in active service? Go down to say cruiser size?

lets go back to Laid down and in service 1894 - 1906 before the introduction of Dreadnought and Invincible. And this is from Wikipedia so I will miss some of the earlier classes.

RN

Battleships - 70
Armoured Cruisers (ships with 9.2 inch guns) - 60
Light/Protected cruisers - 119 (probably missed some too)
Destroyers/Torpedo boats - I'm not going to count them all, probably 300 +

France

Battleships - 16
Armoured cruiser - 25
Protected Cruisers - 34
Destroyers/Torpedo Boats - Several hundred

Germany

Battleships - 24
Armoured Cruisers - 8
Light/Protected cruisers - 26
Destroyers - 100+

USA

Battleships - 24 (one sunk pre war USS Maine)
Armoured Cruisers - 12
Light/Protected Cruisers - 20
Destroyers/Torpedo Boats - 16

Russian Empire

Battleships - 17 (outbreak of WW1 - 6)
Armoured Cruisers - )10 outbreak of WW1 -6)
Light/Protected Cruisers - 14 (6)
Destroyers/Torpedo Boats - 50 - 75

Japan

Battleships - 6
Armoured Cruisers - 8
Protected Cruisers - 22
Destroyers - 50+

So If we add all the other major navies together we get

Battleships - 87 (RN 70)
Armoured Cruisers - 63 (RN 60)
Protected/Light Cruisers - 106 (RN 119)

I hope that gives some scale of the RN in the period before the war. If we go up to WW1 then the numbers get skewed even more in the RN's favour.

*edit* Actually lets do that.

1906 - 1914 In service

RN

Dreadnoughts - 22
Battlecruisers - 10
Light Cruisers - 37

Germany

Dreadnoughts - 13
Battlecruisers - 5
Light Cruisers - 8

France

Dreadnoughts - 4
Semi-Dreadnought - 6
Battlecruisers - 0
Light Cruisers - 0

USA

Dreadnoughts -10
Battlecruisers - 0
Light Cruisers - 2

Japan

Dreadnoughts - 1,
4 semi-dreadnoughts and Pre-dreadnoughts
8 Ex Russian Pre-Dreadnoughts
Battlecruisers - 0
Light Cruisers - 0

Russia

Dreadnoughts - 4
Semi-Dreadnought - 2
Armoured Cruiser - 1
Battlecruisers - 0
Light cruiser - 4
 
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Delta Force

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I'm needing to find something that'll tell me the size of the worlds navies in the early 20th century up to WW1. does anyone know where i can look up that info?

You can use Wikipedia or a naval reference book. Keep in mind that things only a few years apart can differ greatly in utility for combat, as technology was changing quite rapidly in the pre-war era. Throughout the 1880s, 1890s, and early 1900s fleets had used reciprocating engines and experimented with a variety of armament types and arrangements, but the Japanese wars against China and most crucially Russia showed what actually worked in practice. Around the same time turbines were found to be practical for naval applications. It's not so much that Dreadnought had anything new on it as much as the fact that it combined those features for the first time on a battleship. It's also a nice point to use as the change between old and new, because the battlecruiser Invincible followed shortly afterwards and new technology and the lessons of the Russo-Japanese War started to filter down into cruiser, destroyer, and submarine design.

So basically, prior to the Dreadnought era you had pre and semi-dreadnoughts on top, then armored cruisers, protected cruisers, unprotected cruisers, torpedo boat destroyers, torpedo boats, and submarines of quite limited utility. After Dreadnought it was the dreadnoughts, battlecruisers, light cruisers, destroyers, and more useful submarines. Heavy cruisers didn't catch on until the 1920s, and destroyers and torpedo boats merged into ships that could fulfill both roles and stand a better chance of surviving storms and operations further from the coast.

What's actually useful or modern can vary greatly, so just keep that in mind. Unlike the Age of Sail or the world after the 1920s, between 1860 and 1920 warships were like computers, becoming hopelessly obsolete only a few years into service.
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
ok to narrow it down how about what was either in commission or under construction between 1905 & 1914

In that case, allow me to link you to Brassey's Naval Annual, which was a very solid reference book of the time and will include all the information you want (and probably a great deal you will not).

Here's the 1902 edition:
https://archive.org/details/brasseysnavala1902brasuoft

And the 1915 edition:
https://archive.org/details/brasseysnavala1915brasuoft

The lists of ships are Part II of the annual. The rest is primarily essays, which may or may not be of interest to you.

There's more on Archive.org that fill in (and go before and after).
 

Delta Force

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eh top 10 navies of that time & the fighting ships & submarines

These are probably the largest/most powerful navies throughout the era. I'm not sure who would come in after the great powers (and Spain) though, as after that no one really operated a fleet with modern battleships.

1. United Kingdom
2. United States
3. Germany
4. France
5. Japan
6. Russia
7. Italy
8. Austria-Hungary
9. Spain
 

cpip

Gone Fishin'
preciate those. is there anything though that has say a list of the top 10 navies from that time

Well, just to name which nations had the largest navies:

The United Kingdom, far and away, followed by (in no particular order as the exact rankings change up during the period in question):

The United States
Germany
Japan
Russia
Austria-Hungary
Italy
France
Brazil
Argentina
Ottoman Turkey
Spain

Those last I mention simply because they happen to be the remaining powers that possess dreadnoughts; the Spanish "dreadnought" is ... dubious in quality, we'll leave it at that; the Turkish dreadnoughts ended up being taken by the British before they ever wore Turkish flags; and the Brazilian and Argentine dreadnoughts were never well-used and spent more time accumulating rust and barnacles than sailing.

Also looking to join the dreadnought club in 1914 were: Greece (with two ordered - one German, one French) and Chile (two ordered with British yards). The outbreak of the First World War ended those plans; the Greek ships were never finished, and the Chilean ones were purchased by the British before they were completed, and used by the Royal Navy.

EDIT: Darn, Delta Force ninja'd me.
 
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on navypedia.org and then look by year, under each country there is a sort of summary at the top, but not ranking per se

it doesn't give you all or even many of the countrys though. take 1910, it has the UK, US, Germany, New Zealand, Japan, & Australia.

if it helps more the ones that i'd most want to see where they lay'd in the worl of naval power is the US, UK (& its empires navies), Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, Austria-Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece, Russia, Japan, & Sweden
 
1. Royal Navy
2. Royal Navy
3. Royal Navy
4. Royal Navy
5. Royal Navy
6. German Navy
7. US Navy
8. French Navy
9. Japanese Navy
10. Italian Navy

Honestly, before 1914, it doesn't matter. Britain had a bigger navy than the next two powers (Germany and the US) combined.
 
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