Earliest Possible Space Age?

Need speculation for this. Whats the earliest possible time for humanity to get up into space?
I'll probably be called a n00b for this, but hopefully we could reach space by 1860?
 
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Late 1940s, with Nazi dominance in Europe. The V-2 missile actually made it into space, becoming the first manmade object to leave the atmosphere. Sputnik was IOTL just the first to orbit. If Von Braun has his way, he could convince High Command that reusable rocket planes for long range bombing are worth the effort. Which could result in a moon landing by 1960, assuming willpower.
 
Late 1940s, with Nazi dominance in Europe. The V-2 missile actually made it into space, becoming the first manmade object to leave the atmosphere. Sputnik was IOTL just the first to orbit. If Von Braun has his way, he could convince High Command that reusable rocket planes for long range bombing are worth the effort. Which could result in a moon landing by 1960, assuming willpower.

Thing of it is, if Germany wins the war, there won't be a "race" so to say. Japan's just too far behind. Unless there's a Fatherland like scenario..
 
Well, depends, without the dark ages and the crusades we'd be more technologically advanced, so, if you allow the POD to go back far enough, in theory probably the 1700's, now if you mean with a POD after say 1800, then probably 1940's.
 
I think this picture is appropriate here.

dark ages.jpg
 
PoDs so far:
-Germany wins WWII
-Roman Empire Survives
-No Dark Ages or Crusades

I think that the lack of the crusades would seriously hinder the technological development of Europe. Many new inventions were learned in the crusades, and it is not like the crusades signifigantly hurt Arab scientific learning.

I think this picture is appropriate here.

You are aware that the Catholic church was pretty much the sole custodian of scientific knowledge in the dark ages right? Without the church, chances are Europe would be just emerging from the Dark Ages now.
 
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I think that the lack of the crusades would seriously hinder the technological development of Europe. Many new inventions were learned in the crusades, and it is not like the crusades signifigantly hurt Arab scientific learning.


You are aware that the Catholic church was pretty much the sole custodian of scientific knowledge in the dark ages right? Without the church, chances are Europe would be just emerging from the Dark Ages now.

Although the graph is very Euro-centric it does bring up a good point: The dark ages really left Europe in the crapper for a while. If the Roman Empire never falls (probably due to the fact that there is no Christianity around) it will continue to advance although certainly not at the speed the graph suggests.

The crusades only brought scientific advancement to the West because they were the keepers of what the Roman Empire had left behind. With the Roman Empire around there will be competition between both most probably resulting in faster scientific advancement.

Also yes the Catholic Church was the sole custodian of scientific knowledge for a very long time. Without it Europe would be emerging of the dark ages right about now. But had it not been there in the first place there would be no dark ages therefore scientific halt. I know it is a bit of a paradox but its true.

I think that with out the fall of the Roman Empire but still keeping enough enemies / rivals around it for competition. Space could have been reached in the 1700s.

However Rome has a few disadvantages that it needs to get around. Fist and foremost a better numerical system: theirs suck. That was one important thing the crusade brought.

Though it all depends on the drive for exploration that develops.

The other question is, what is the latest possible Space Discovery, once again with a POD pre 1800s and post 1800s
 
The Middle Kingdom of Earth and Space.

What about China?
If it hadn't turned isolationist, and scrapped it's promising treasure ships that were exploring new markets before Europe did.
 
Also yes the Catholic Church was the sole custodian of scientific knowledge for a very long time. Without it Europe would be emerging of the dark ages right about now. But had it not been there in the first place there would be no dark ages therefore scientific halt. I know it is a bit of a paradox but its true.

How does Christianity make Rome fall?
 
POD -3.6 Million BC
Due to a few quirks of evolution, homo sapiens are developed and develop faster, bringing the space age to -2.7 BC. What? :D
 
POD -3.6 Million BC
Due to a few quirks of evolution, homo sapiens are developed and develop faster, bringing the space age to -2.7 BC. What? :D

Wouldn't they be built for the environment of 3.6 million BC, meaning that when the earth goes through the iceage or they would all die?
 

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Well, depends, without the dark ages and the crusades we'd be more technologically advanced, so, if you allow the POD to go back far enough, in theory probably the 1700's, now if you mean with a POD after say 1800, then probably 1940's.

Ditto.

If the Roman world hadn't been progressively limited until it was just the Eastern Med, and things had gone well for China and Persia, I see no reason it couldn't have happened by 1750.
 
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