Earliest possible end of WW2 with conditional surrender?

Replicator

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Had Roosevelt not said at Cassablanca that the Allies demanded the unconditional surrender of their enemies - how soon could the war have been over?If the Allies would allow a conditional surrender and would actively support all resistance groups in the Axis states - could Germany have conditionaly surrendered as soon as late 1943 and Japan as soon as late 1944?
 
Though not as harsh as unconditional surrender, conditional surrender would still be harsh for Germany. They would have to give up most occupied territory. If not all. They might survive, as a Fascist state after killing most prominent Nazi cabinet members that simply wouldn't surrender.

Japan would have never surrendered conditionally. Would be same as OTL.
 
Had Roosevelt not said at Cassablanca that the Allies demanded the unconditional surrender of their enemies - how soon could the war have been over?If the Allies would allow a conditional surrender and would actively support all resistance groups in the Axis states - could Germany have conditionaly surrendered as soon as late 1943 and Japan as soon as late 1944?

At any point that Hitler was dead (as he would accept no conditional surrender) and Stalin or the WAllies deem it to be worth the cost to themselves of antagonizing each other.
 
Autumn/Winter '39, if the British/French forces mount an actual offensive into the Rhineland.
Alternatively, Spring/Summer '40, if the Nazi offensive through the Ardennes can be beaten back decisively (not that hard - French tanks were often better than the German ones).

Anything other than Germany's surrender wouldn't genuinely end WW2 as Hitler would just continue later against the USSR.

- Kelenas
 
Well, obviously depends extremely on the conditions of that surrender, and as such can vary to quite some degree. Though getting rid of Hitler (and perhaps some other Nazi cronies too) is almost a prerequisite.
 

Naturi

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1939 with German defeat(bad weather in Poland, different French leadership)
Germany probably loses only bits of Upper Silesia, East Prussia(with rest being demilitarized zone), and Gdansk is awarded to Poland. Perhaps the Munich Treaty is reversed as well.
 
If such a surrender had been possible the aftermath of Operation Bagration would have been the point it would have been done, from a desire to keep the USSR as far away from Germany proper as possible.
 

Cook

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Had Roosevelt not said at Cassablanca that the Allies demanded the unconditional surrender of their enemies - how soon could the war have been over?If the Allies would allow a conditional surrender...
The British and Soviets had already agreed to post war conditions that would effectively have required unconditional surrender prior to Casablanca. The only objection Churchill had with Roosevelt’s statement was that he made it public, knowing the propaganda boon this would be to the Germans. The subsequent decisions on occupation, reparations and dismembering the German state made at Tehran and Yalta were kept secret so that the tame German Officers Legion did not get wind of it.

For the allies to accept conditional terms requires them all to be willing to make the same mistakes of 1918 again and be willing to risk another war with a revived Germany twenty years down the track. Do you think that’s particularly realistic?
 
A conditional surrender would be the end of Hitler and his regime. Like Gaddafi he wouldn't be able to let go of power once he tasted it, however hopeless the situation.

Only a military coup when the army still felt it owed more to Germany than to Hitle,r which means before May 1940.

As said by others the quickest way would be a determined Rhineland offensive by the French in 1939. Unfortunately although on paper the French could have driven into western Germany against slight resistance the reality was that the French army had no real strategy or inclination to wage an offensive war at that stage.
 
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