Earlies scotland could become part of England?

What it says on the tin, what's the earliest Scotland could become part of England? By "bering part of England" I mean either through outright conquest, English royal family rulling Scotland and be recognised as monarchs of Scotland, through marriage or kingdoms forming new entity which has to be dominated by English with capital in England (can be something different than London, if you wish) so OTL Union of Crowns of 1603 doesn't count (since they were still separate kingdoms) but Acts of Union of 1707 does (since it became united kingdom)
 
What it says on the tin, what's the earliest Scotland could become part of England? By "bering part of England" I mean either through outright conquest, English royal family rulling Scotland and be recognised as monarchs of Scotland, through marriage or kingdoms forming new entity which has to be dominated by English with capital in England (can be something different than London, if you wish) so OTL Union of Crowns of 1603 doesn't count (since they were still separate kingdoms) but Acts of Union of 1707 does (since it became united kingdom)

Roman era?
 

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What it says on the tin, what's the earliest Scotland could become part of England?

I believe the King of the Scots acknowledged Athelstan, grandson of Alfred the Great, as High King of Britain. If full union is required it could only happen by dynastic accident. OTL's could have occurred earlier either way round given child mortality and the constant intermarrying.
 
The Scottish lose the independence wars against England after the invasion by Edward I.

Better yet have Margaret, Maid of Norway survive and marry the future Edward II of England as was originally planed, it not only prevents the Wars of Scottish Independence, but brings about a union of the crowns a la Castile and Aragon.
 
Apart from the fact that there was no England, as this was before the Anglosaxon invasion.

Sure but the earliest point where the current land area of scotland could be ruled from the current land area of england would be in roman times.

You jsut need a campaign against the caledonians that results in all of great britain made part of britania.

Then one of the rebellions started by a governer there (Allectus seems a good candidate) results in a seperate state forming with a capital in modern day england in the style of Palmyrenes or the Byzantines. Or hell the successor of the gallic empire could be a rump roman state in britannia in a worse crisis of the 3rd century.

Once you've united england and scotland even under foreign rule, you have options to make it a state ran from england.
 
Another option would be that the northumbrians beat the mercians and the welsh in 630 which keeps them in control of modern day northern wales and the midlands and thus spares the turmoil that follow and allowes them to beat the picts in 685.

Northumbria contained a great ammount of what is modern day scotland and if they had remained the most powerful of the anglosaxon kingdoms and had beaten back the picts you might well not see the kingdom of scotland forming and it instead falling into northumbria's orbit. So when england is formed it would include all of great britain.
 
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Another option would be that the northumbrians beat the mercians and the welsh in 630 which keeps them in control of modern day northern wales and the midlands and thus spares the turmoil that follow and allowes them to beat the picts in 685.

Northumbria contained a great ammount of what is modern day scotland and if they had remained the most powerful of the anglosaxon kingdoms and had beaten back the picts you might well not see the kingdom of scotland forming and it instead falling into northumbria's orbit. So when england is formed it would include all of great britain.

Hmmm, yeah have Penda fall from his horse and the Northumbrians would dominate
 
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