Earlier children for Anne of Austria.

So, this is some rough musings for a timeline I'm planning in the future, where Charles I and Henrietta Maria have sons born in 1626 and 1628, instead of their otl dates of birth.

Anne of Austria had a very unfortunate history of pregnancies until Louis XIV and Philippe, Duke of Orleans were born.

My question is this, if this was the order of successful pregnancies what would change and who could the children marry?

Louis (b. 1626)

Anne Marie (b. 1631)

Philippe (b. 1638)

Elisabeth (b. 1643)


And if this went along with the following for Philip IV:

Maria Eugenia of Austria and Spain (b. 1625)

Isabella Maria Theresa of Spain (b. 1627)

Balthasar Carlos (b.1629)

Francis Ferdinand (b. 1634)

Maria Theresa of Spain (b.1638)


What would be the logical marriages for France and Spain in this scenario?
 
As OTL Philip IV will go first for some Austrian matches with the children of his other sister Empress Maria Anna and Emperor Ferdinand III.

OTL they were:

Ferdinand IV, King of the Romans (b. 1633)
Maria Anna of Austria (b. 1634)
* Philip August (15 July 1637 – 22 June 1639), Archduke of Austria.
* Maximilian Thomas (21 December 1638 – 29 June 1639), Archduke of Austria.
* Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1640)
* Maria (born and died 13 May 1646), Archduchess of Austria.
 
As OTL Philip IV will go first for some Austrian matches with the children of his other sister Empress Maria Anna and Emperor Ferdinand III.

OTL they were:

Ferdinand IV, King of the Romans (b. 1633)
Maria Anna of Austria (b. 1634)
* Philip August (15 July 1637 – 22 June 1639), Archduke of Austria.
* Maximilian Thomas (21 December 1638 – 29 June 1639), Archduke of Austria.
* Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1640)
* Maria (born and died 13 May 1646), Archduchess of Austria.

Interesting, there was a thread earlier that suggested that during the War of the Pyrenese Philip IV was looking to keep one of his daughters available for a peace deal with the French.
 
Philip at that point had just one daughter Maria Theresa and the infanta until 1654 was engaged to the King of the Romans. After Balthasar Carlos’s death the eventuality of a wedding between Maria Theresa and Louis was quite feared because the succession to the crown was not secure and Maria Theresa was the heiress presuntive. Maybe that was a confusion between Philip IV and Philip III? Because the latter had two daughters and many sons
 
Philip at that point had just one daughter Maria Theresa and the infanta until 1654 was engaged to the King of the Romans. After Balthasar Carlos’s death the eventuality of a wedding between Maria Theresa and Louis was quite feared because the succession to the crown was not secure and Maria Theresa was the heiress presuntive. Maybe that was a confusion between Philip IV and Philip III? Because the latter had two daughters and many sons

Hmm interesting, so here, it seems likely then that Maria Eugenia could end up married to Ferdinand IV?
 
Maria Eugenia is seven years older than him so is a little unlikely but still possible... Surely the daughter married in Austria will have full rights the one married in France will need to sign a renounce.

P.S.: Philip III is more likely to be the king of Spain interested in a French match for sealing the peace because well Philip IV know exactly the final value of that kind of match (almost zero) considering who he and his sister were married to France in a double match.
Anne Marie of France instead will be an interesting choice for Balthasar Carlos instead of Archduchess Maria Anna
 
Maria Eugenia is seven years older than him so is a little unlikely but still possible... Surely the daughter married in Austria will have full rights the one married in France will need to sign a renounce.

P.S.: Philip III is more likely to be the king of Spain interested in a French match for sealing the peace because well Philip IV know exactly the final value of that kind of match (almost zero) considering who he and his sister were married to France in a double match.
Anne Marie of France instead will be an interesting choice for Balthasar Carlos instead of Archduchess Maria Anna

Hmm interesting, it does seem then that either Isabella or Maria Theresa would perhaps be married off to Ferdinand IV-if I go with him being born, as I'm debating having his uncle John Charles survive- which leads the question who does Maria Eugenia marry?
 
Hmm interesting, it does seem then that either Isabella or Maria Theresa would perhaps be married off to Ferdinand IV-if I go with him being born, as I'm debating having his uncle John Charles survive- which leads the question who does Maria Eugenia marry?
If her brothers are not much healthy (or one die and the other is not in the best health)she will marry John Charles, if not she will marry Ferdinand (or a King, with a prince elector or a reigning Duke as tolerable alternatives)

Edit: Considering her age of birth, I can easily see her married to Emperor Ferdinand III either as his second or third wife (she is older than both his OTL choices)
 
Last edited:
If her brothers are not much healthy (or one die and the other is not in the best health)she will marry John Charles, if not she will marry Ferdinand (or a King, with a prince elector or a reigning Duke as tolerable alternatives)

Alright, though I think you mean John Charles's son, as John Charles would be about twenty years older than ehr and still married to her aunt, no?
 
Alright, though I think you mean John Charles's son, as John Charles would be about twenty years older than ehr and still married to her aunt, no?
Yes, I was thinked to wrong generation of Habsburg (aka the children of Ferdinand III instead of Ferdinand and his sibling).
Yes, if John Charles survive she will marry John Charles’s son but is likely we will have the same trouble with age difference
 
Yes, I was thinked to wrong generation of Habsburg (aka the children of Ferdinand III instead of Ferdinand and his sibling).
Yes, if John Charles survive she will marry John Charles’s son but is likely we will have the same trouble with age difference

Hmm interesting, I've got a thread on John Charles, I'll link it here, would appreciate your thoughts.
 
As Maria Eugenia’s husband looking better at her age I can see her better as second or third wife of Ferdinand III than as wife of Ferdinand IV (maybe she was originally engaged to her cousin, then married off to his father with Maria Teresa offered as replacement)
 
As Maria Eugenia’s husband looking better at her age I can see her better as second or third wife of Ferdinand III than as wife of Ferdinand IV (maybe she was originally engaged to her cousin, then married off to his father with Maria Teresa offered as replacement)

Oh interesting, as a means of tying things off for the thirty years war's end? That'll be very interesting.
 
Why not. Ferdinand III was not so closely related to her (was married to her aunt but not her uncle) so we will have a little less inbreeding and more changes for the survival of both branches of Habsburg as separate kingdoms
 
Why not. Ferdinand III was not so closely related to her (was married to her aunt but not her uncle) so we will have a little less inbreeding and more changes for the survival of both branches of Habsburg as separate kingdoms

This is very true, I could see in the event of an otl Spanish Habsburg situation, the son of Ferdinand and Maria Eugenia being suggested as an heir for Carlos II
 
Why not. Ferdinand III was not so closely related to her (was married to her aunt but not her uncle) so we will have a little less inbreeding and more changes for the survival of both branches of Habsburg as separate kingdoms

A possible line of issue for Ferdinand III and his wife Maria Eugenia

Maximilian Philip Thomas (b. 1649)

Elisabeth Anna (b.1652)

Karl Josef (b. 1654)

Maria Anna (b. 1656)
 
Top