Ealier EU-esque Organisations

Valdemar II

Banned
The problem are that building a proto-EU on a anti French alliance wouldn't work, because France enemies lie in a ring around it, there are simply to little reason to create. But we have another potential earlier EU the Gernman Confederation, if it had been created as a custom union from the start it could easily have evolve into EU like confederation. Especially because the states in personal union with mwember states would have been included. With the economical boom which would follow such a union we could have seen the Belgium revolution and the Schleswig Wars butterflied away and the German revolutionaries focus more on getting democracy and establish common democratic institution in the confederation than unify Germany as a new state.
 

Susano

Banned
Yes, now I recall it was Austro-Hungary. Sorry, again.
No, that was Prussia ;) Thing is, first there was the war against France, or rather first there was the French declaration of war (so it wasnt Germany or Prussia "taking on" France, France was on all levels the unjustified aggressor who got rightfully beaten), and only during the war was the united German Empire created. Hell, before the war Bismarck most likely had no plans to unify Germany, despite what myths he spread in his memoirs!

It's hard to explain, I just feel that any movement without France or Germany just leaves out one of the biggest and most influential states in Europe. It feels empty without them.
Yeah, well, as said: Thats just metaphysical, so to say. And metaphysics is nonsense ;)
 
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That map is very crappy.

1. Why has Germay suddenly returned northern Schleswig to Denmark?
2. The plan was to let Finland have the "language border" with Sweden, giving Finland Kiruna and the Swedish iron ore fields there. Also, Finnmark (the northernmost part of Norway) would go to Finland.
3. Why did Bulgaria return northern Dobrudja to Romania?
4. Since the victory is obviously after the defeat of Italy September 1943, why has RSI regained the Dalmatian Coastline, which was given to Croatia then?
5. Why on earth have they created a grand Albania?
6. If Italy have lost, and North Africa is in allied hands, why has Spain, which looks like it has joined the axis, been able to retain Spanish Morocco?
7. Britain gets way scot free? No return of Libya, no loss of Egypt, not even Cyprus? WTF?
 
Concert of Europe Map

I really liked the idea. The Concert is a rather intresting organisation. I like it's take on the balance of power, I like it's commitment to peace, and I like the idea of compromise. So I've done a map of it.

In this, the Concert developed in a slightly more federal way. There is a capital (so to speak, it's more of an agreed meeting place) in Prague, choosen for it's geographic, central position. There are free trade areas established in the Netherlands/Rhineland, Denmark and northern Italy. Heads of Government meet in Prague every year to renew the various alliances and agreements. Heads of State meet every five years for a more showy version of what the Heads of Government do.

Europe has been shaped by the spirit of compromise. Neither Britain, France or Russia wanted to see the whole of Germany united behind either Prussia or Austro-Hungary. Hence they supported Austro-Hungary's influence in the southern German states. And in the same spirit, they supported the creation of the North German Federation, headed by Prussia.
This compromising has also led to the creation of an independent Polish state, mainly thanks to the efforts of Prussia. The new state, whilst initially poverty stricken, recieved much intrest from both Prussian, Austro-Hungarian and Russian businesses, mainly due to the cheap labour.
Feared competition between the powers over military might, has led to a reduction in the size of armed forces in Europe. In turn, this led to larger civillian populations across the continent, and an earlier build-up in industry than OTL. Whilst the map is set in 1900, the technology level is about OTL 1920.
France and Prussia have also set aside their old rivalries in an effort to prevent Britain becoming too powerful. Whilst both nations respective navies are smaller than Britains, united they could prove to be a match for the Royal Navy, this prevented Britain achieving a monoploy in global trade and influence.

And here's the map, enjoy.
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Susano

Banned
1. Why has Germay suddenly returned northern Schleswig to Denmark?
It never retook Northern Schleswig. The issue was so unimportant not even Hitler cared about it!

2. The plan was to let Finland have the "language border" with Sweden, giving Finland Kiruna and the Swedish iron ore fields there. Also, Finnmark (the northernmost part of Norway) would go to Finland.
Sweden is a neutral, and thats all to be said. Finnmark... eh, maybe...

3. Why did Bulgaria return northern Dobrudja to Romania?
Similarily to the North Schleswig issue, Bulgaria never held Northern Dobruja.

4. Since the victory is obviously after the defeat of Italy September 1943, why has RSI regained the Dalmatian Coastline, which was given to Croatia then?
Well, the RSI also controls all of North Italy instead of being a glorified Reichsgau, so it would seem Italy changing sides (and was that, nominally, rather then a defeat) happened somewhat differently.

5. Why on earth have they created a grand Albania?
Because that, uh, is what happened IOTL?

6. If Italy have lost, and North Africa is in allied hands, why has Spain, which looks like it has joined the axis, been able to retain Spanish Morocco?
The map says Spain joined the "New European Union" in 1951 - so probably after the war was over.

7. Britain gets way scot free? No return of Libya, no loss of Egypt, not even Cyprus? WTF?
Its called the Royal Navy.
 

Lukkonle

Banned
I really liked the idea. The Concert is a rather intresting organisation. I like it's take on the balance of power, I like it's commitment to peace, and I like the idea of compromise. So I've done a map of it.
This compromising has also led to the creation of an independent Polish state, mainly thanks to the efforts of Prussia. The new state, whilst initially poverty stricken, recieved much intrest from both Prussian, Austro-Hungarian and Russian businesses, mainly due to the cheap labour.
Ah yes, a slice of Congress Poland without Warsaw or any major city, there is no doubt that the few peasants there would make cheap labour indeed :)
 
Ah yes, a slice of Congress Poland without Warsaw or any major city, there is no doubt that the few peasants there would make cheap labour indeed :)
Wait how is Warsaw not in there? I made it using a the 1914 basemap on the Blank Map thread.
Warsaw should be there, in the Prussian SoI.
 
What about the Latin Monetary Union?

Yeah that would be interesting especially if it involves the Balkan allies like the Little Entente. I think it would work out to be: France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Belgium?, Yugoslavia, Romania, Czechoslovakia, maybe Poland? This could grow even more powerful if this alliance defeats Germany in a short war before Germany rearms.
 
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