Dynasty of cromwell

Straha

Banned
What would have happened had Richard Cromwell not fallen from power, but
instead taken the throne as King Richard IV of the House of Cromwell?
 

hammo1j

Donor
I say what if Olly had done what the Frenchies did and guillotined a few of the nobs including Bonnie Prince Charlie. The trouble with the aristos is that they will always re-invent themselves and Johnny Commoner will always find his inbuilt instinct to kow-tow to them miraculously restored.

Here's what happens. Olly franchises the plebs and they vote for a parliament. The idea is so novel England and Scotland go off the map for a time apart from discovering USA.

USA a bit more advanced and all men are created equal applies to slaves also. No civil war and racism eradicated very early on.

This means we about 100 years ahead by now and all have VR suits where we can all be James Bond and shag loads of beautiful women having the baddies conveniently kill the ones we find out we didn't really like.
 

DMA

Well even if Richard had become King of England, it wouldn't have mattered much as he wasn't up to the job.

Now whether Oliver, in his last days, permits a large number of citizens to vote for parliament is possible, but it'd be in contrast to what he did during & after the Putney Debates.

I'd say the best bet for a Cromwellian Royal family was if, when Richard abdicates, Henry Cromwell quickly returns from Ireland & establishes himself as the new Lord Protector in London. I'd say the Royalists will still have a go at invasion, which Henry will defeat (as he's a chip off the old block unlike Richard), thus firmly establishing himself. Then, a year or two later, Henry takes the Throne as Henry IX.
 

Hierophant

I always thought that this was one time in history that a military democracy could arise, Heinlein style. What if Cromwell were to tire of endless debates with the other parliaments and with heavy pressure from the Army, established a democracy only enfranchinisn people who had severd so many years or were in the military?
 

DMA

Justin Green said:
I always thought that this was one time in history that a military democracy could arise, Heinlein style. What if Cromwell were to tire of endless debates with the other parliaments and with heavy pressure from the Army, established a democracy only enfranchinisn people who had severd so many years or were in the military?
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Well Cromwell did tire of the endless debates with Parliament, so he basically kicked out all those he argued with in Parliament, & only had his cronies remain. So I'd doubt he'd embrace democracy, where people would disagree with him, when all his OTL actions proved to be the opposite.

I think you've really got to let a generation go by, where things have settled down, then let someone like Henry come along, who's in a secure position of power, yet can tolerate a Parliament which may disagree with some of his wonts. Fundamentally, however, you need enough compromises to take place whereby both Parliament & the Cromwellian king can get along.

But I wouldn't expect full democracy for some time. At first it'd be a limited franchise akin to the early days of the USA. Then, over the next century or so, various reforms are introduced which finally sees England become a full democracy somewhere in the early 1800s maybe.
 

Othniel

Justin Green said:
I always thought that this was one time in history that a military democracy could arise, Heinlein style. What if Cromwell were to tire of endless debates with the other parliaments and with heavy pressure from the Army, established a democracy only enfranchinisn people who had severd so many years or were in the military?
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More like most Republican attempts it would turn into a millitary dictatorship. Akin to Napoleon, what Julius Ceasar would most likely had become (and what most Roman Emporers were), and that of the days directly after Simoin Bolivar in South America.(A man I admire very much)
 
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