DWI: What if France surrendered?

What if France surrendered to Germany during the German war of aggression of 1939-42?
What would have happened to France and Europe and even the world?
 
Well, it probably would not have had the great resurgence in power and prestige it enjoys today. Leading in the defeat of Germany in the Second Great War showed the world that France was still a force to be dealt with, no matter the internal strife and dissent. Who know, Germany instead of France might lead the European Union. Also, I read that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were very antisemitic, it would be hard to top the brutal crackdowns, repression and expulsion the faced otl, but anything is possible. It might even have gotten as bad as the Armenian holocaust during the first world war, although I shudder to think about that.
Scipio
 

Falkenburg

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Scipio,

We always have that thrown up. Yes Germany was anti-semitic in the run up to the war but no more so than many other European countries of the time.

Most people will readily admit that the Nazis made use of violent rhetoric and offensive racial stereotypes. To jump from there to some kind of emulation of the Armenian genocide is, I think, a little far-fetched.

It strikes me that "The Germans would have doen terrible things" is simply an excuse for the dismemberment of that country by the French and their Soviet Allies after their victory.

Perhaps if France had surrendered in 1940 we could have seen a re-balancing of the iniquities of the Post First World War Peace Settlements.

We could have seen a more equitable peace develop, rather than laying the groundwork for the subsequent conflicts that have ravaged the Continent ever since.

As difficult as it may be for most French patiots to admit, if they had not had their "Finest Hour" in 1940, they may have been spared the following decades that have bled the country white.

Falkenburg
 
Scipio,

We always have that thrown up. Yes Germany was anti-semitic in the run up to the war but no more so than many other European countries of the time.

Most people will readily admit that the Nazis made use of violent rhetoric and offensive racial stereotypes. To jump from there to some kind of emulation of the Armenian genocide is, I think, a little far-fetched.

It strikes me that "The Germans would have doen terrible things" is simply an excuse for the dismemberment of that country by the French and their Soviet Allies after their victory.

Perhaps if France had surrendered in 1940 we could have seen a re-balancing of the iniquities of the Post First World War Peace Settlements.

We could have seen a more equitable peace develop, rather than laying the groundwork for the subsequent conflicts that have ravaged the Continent ever since.

As difficult as it may be for most French patiots to admit, if they had not had their "Finest Hour" in 1940, they may have been spared the following decades that have bled the country white.

Falkenburg
I don't know where you live but France didn't dismember Germany nor they were allies with the soviet they didn't even took part in the german war of agression. But if dimemberment you mean East Prussia given to Poland as reparation and the restauration of Austria and Checkoslovakia indepence then yes it was dismenbered.:rolleyes:
 
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I don't know where you live but France didn't dismember Germany nor they were allies with the soviet they didn't even took part in the german war of agression. But if dimemberment you mean East Prussia given to Poland as reparation and the restauration of Austria and Checkoslovakia indepence then yes it was dismenbered.

FOTL: And this is why DBWI's always fall apart.:rolleyes:
 

Falkenburg

Monthly Donor
HUH? It's a DBWI, isn't it?

I'm simply stating what happened after France (and the British until 1942) successfully repulsed the German attack in 1940.

The determination to ensure that Germany "Never Again" threatened France did lead to some pretty grim repercussions.

To pretend those never happened? I think you must be living in some kind of alternate universe.;)

Falkenburg
 
HUH? It's a DBWI, isn't it?

I'm simply stating what happened after France (and the British until 1942) successfully repulsed the German attack in 1940.

The determination to ensure that Germany "Never Again" threatened France did lead to some pretty grim repercussions.

To pretend those never happened? I think you must be living in some kind of alternate universe.;)

Falkenburg

What happened to Germany that was so bad? People kept feeling sorry for them, giving them huge loans, and cutting back what they needed to pay. I dont look highly on te French Empire nor or te Serbs but I do know tat the Prussians were extremely aggresive and barely hid the fact. If the French proposals went through and people didn't keep trying to undermine them, I am almost positive that any World War II would be extremely different and not have the Germans ruling te roost.
 
Germany is still a economic power in Europe not as mutch as France or the United kingdom but still enjoy a good economy. Their millitary is limited but they provoked a world war and another major europeen war in less then 20 yars between each confict... And remember the nazy weren't really nice guy.
 
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