Dutch Cuba?

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Is there any way to have a stable Dutch Cuba? This can happen after the Spanish claim the island?
 
Here is i think a plausible scenario.

Napoleon manages to somehow have the battle of waterloo end in a draw so both sides realize that the war is pointless, so a peace treaty is drawn up where france keeps belgium but has to give holland its independence and Napoleon keeps his throne. So inorder to keep holland as an ally cuba given to the dutch as a gift to them from the french so they stay loyal.
 
Here is i think a plausible scenario.

Napoleon manages to somehow have the battle of waterloo end in a draw so both sides realize that the war is pointless, so a peace treaty is drawn up where france keeps belgium but has to give holland its independence and Napoleon keeps his throne. So inorder to keep holland as an ally cuba given to the dutch as a gift to them from the french so they stay loyal.
Cuba wasn't French AFAIK, so how would that work?:confused:
 
Here is i think a plausible scenario.

Napoleon manages to somehow have the battle of waterloo end in a draw so both sides realize that the war is pointless, so a peace treaty is drawn up where france keeps belgium but has to give holland its independence and Napoleon keeps his throne. So inorder to keep holland as an ally cuba given to the dutch as a gift to them from the french so they stay loyal.

I'm sorry, the powers did horsetrade like this, but virtually never with things of actual value. It was more "I'll trade you this heat-blasted desert for the disease-filled rainforest next to the colony I already have."

And Waterloo victory wouldn't leave France in a position as good as you imply.

Also, they'd have no way of trading off a Spanish colony.

Or, to be concise, no.
 
If you get a large Dutch migration to the island, maybe. IIRC, wasn't Suriname Spanish before the Eighty Years' War? You might be able to get Cuba to join the Dutch that way, but it's still not very likely.
 
Seeing as all the good stuff in the Caribbean was esentially claimed and held by the time the Dutch could actually focus on more than just their European territory its pretty hard and essentialy forces an entire reowkring of European/World history.

The two things I can see are

A) The Dutch and the Spanish fight dozens of wars from the 80 years war to say early 1800's and the Dutch do remarkably well with a prominent strategy of using their fleet to attack Spanish American possesions (perhaps a solid Franco-Dutch alliance or even Anglo-Dutch). After a really disatrous war Spain is forced to give Cuba to the Dutch or something.

B) Internal problems in Spain (better reconquestia for the Muslims...no union of Castille and Aragon or something) mean that they don't discover the new world. For various reasons and delays such discovery doesn't occur until say 1520-something and even then its done by a Frenchman or Englishman and its the North American East coast...so exploration goes slower and discovery of the good parts (in a colonial mercantile sense of course) doesn't occur until 1540ish.

Weakened Spain in out new world probably means an earlier Dutch state which is keen to get in on all this new world action while the getting is good. They are considerably luckier than the other powers and found a good sized empire for themselves in Cuba, Hispaniola, and somewhere along the gulf coast...
 

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Perhaps if Dutch settlers/ investors like de Jongh have more luck and money, Oriente could be a Dutch province. The entire island, I feel, is a bit of a stretch.
 

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What about if the Netherlands stays Austrian and never goes Spanish, meaning they avoid the repression and wars the came with Spanish rule. Instead, they have the chance to economically develop without wars early on, which enables them to start exploring/colonizing earlier. Also, without the wars there is more population pressure in the Netherlands, which perhaps enables them to colonize more.
 
Interesting, this reminds me of a dream i had that i had once considered turning into a TL :D. The idea was that the US annexes Cuba as a state after the Spanish American War.

Anyways, the Boer War goes exactly the same as OTL expect that some Anti-British nut-job in the US comes up with the idea of relocating the entire Afrikaner Population to Cuba to escape "British Oppression". Anyways, the Afrikaner leaders accept and over the years, thousands of Afrikaners immigrate from South Africa to Cuba and re-establish themselves there, eventually becoming the dominant community on the Island

Pretty ASB and not exactly Dutch, but i thought i might put it out there :eek:.
 
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