Dunkirk Disaster causes Spain and Soviet Union to join Axis.

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A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory. Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days. Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace. Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire. After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.
 
A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory. Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days. Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace. Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire. After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.
Sure. Why not? In 1942 the Nazis are able to mass in Canada sweeping down to crush the USA, while the Kriegsmarine, engorged by swallowing the French and British Navies sweeps the USN from the seas. The Germans of the mid west undo the anglicisation of their names from 20 years before, rising up in support of father Germany. Meanwhile California burns with Japanese 5th columnists and Mexicans mass at the border remembering the Alamo.

Are we there yet?
 
Sure. Why not? In 1942 the Nazis are able to mass in Canada sweeping down to crush the USA, while the Kriegsmarine, engorged by swallowing the French and British Navies sweeps the USN from the seas. The Germans of the mid west undo the anglicisation of their names from 20 years before, rising up in support of father Germany. Meanwhile California burns with Japanese 5th columnists and Mexicans mass at the border remembering the Alamo.

Are we there yet?
You forgot the Italian mafia taking over NYC and the great Irish uprising in Boston
 
I'm sure the Soviets would definitely willingly ally with the Nazis. Hitler would also just throw out the Judeo Bolshevik portion of his ideology. No issues there!

This of course causes no issues with German society or Italian partnership. Oh and Spain somehow survives on fumes and German magical mana due to the lack of imports from the United States and UK.
 
Sure. Why not? In 1942 the Nazis are able to mass in Canada sweeping down to crush the USA, while the Kriegsmarine, engorged by swallowing the French and British Navies sweeps the USN from the seas. The Germans of the mid west undo the anglicisation of their names from 20 years before, rising up in support of father Germany. Meanwhile California burns with Japanese 5th columnists and Mexicans mass at the border remembering the Alamo.

Are we there yet?
I think you forgot that the Japanese and German nuclear weapons programs miraculously come to fruition in 1944 at the latest.
 

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A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory. Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days. Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace. Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire. After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.
Oh FFS!

I know you keep trying to get some sort a "Reich wins" scenario (I know how hard it is to make that work), but "effete British Empire"?

Cease and desist.
 
A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory. Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days. Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace. Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire. After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.
I'm trying to understand what pleasure you get dreaming up unlikely PoDs and watching them get systematically demolished time after time.

How is Turkey going to be pressured to let her historic enemy through the Bosphorus? Germany literally has no cards to play apart from we'll invade. And they are a bit busy right now.

Soviets are currently massing most of their forces in the Baltics to occupy them - switching them 2000 miles with rubbish infrastructure will take a while (hint - took Soviets 3 months to switch from Berlin to Manchuria). Soviets occupying the Middle East gets them what precisely? Once they get to Iran and Iraq border they have another 1000 miles to get to the Gulf coast with minimal infrastructure to support them. Russian paratroopers were thin on the ground in 1940 and had little combat experience - most of what they had was unsuccessful in small units in Finland and their transport plane was a TB-3 bomber which was a disaster waiting to happen against any air defence.

If japan begins their assault on the Southern Resource Area in December 1940 they are doing it without 2 fleet and 2 light carriers that they had in 1941. And without most of the Zeros and Vals as they were only beginning service trials in 1940 Also in 1940 there were still significant operations in China which were diverting Japanese resources.

As for Italy taking Egypt we've demonstrated how ASB that is but you just don't listen. So getting the UK to the armistice table without SeaLion is pretty hard. And not wanting to rerun Sealion for 137th time but Sealion against an intact British fleet and a reasonable Home Army is doomed to fail.

I guess what I'm saying is how many times do you want to repeat this and when does it get to be trolling rather than fair comment?
 
A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory. Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days. Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace. Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire. After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.
So basically you've chosen to completely ignore all the posts in your previous attempts and repeat the same . You have been told why the halt order was both necessary and had little impact on the battle at Dunkirk, you simply choose to ignore all that information and parrot the same wilful ignorance time and again. It's clear you have no interest in an honest discussion, so this the last post I'm going to waste on your drivel.
 
Why would Hitler let the Russians, who he absolutely despised beyond all logical reason, join his club?

"Sorry, you're not allowed in."

*Points to nein untermenschen sign*

"But you let Stalin in!"

"Death to the capitalists!"

"It says 'nein untermenschen'. We're allowed one."
 
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Soviets are currently massing most of their forces in the Baltics to occupy them - switching them 2000 miles with rubbish infrastructure will take a while (hint - took Soviets 3 months to switch from Berlin to Manchuria). Soviets occupying the Middle East gets them what precisely?
The Soviets managed to invade Iran in the middle of Barbarossa, so an invasion of Iran should be even easier in August 1940. The Soviets would gain control of most of world's oil reserves, enabling them to black mail other powers and charging extortionate prices for oil. The Soviets would only need to devote a small portion of their armored force to accomplish the task of taking the Middle East given the poor state of British defenses. I believe the Soviets also had the largest airborne force. Taking a lightly defended strait of Hormuz shouldn't require a herculean effort on the part of Soviet airborne divisions.

Italy should have an easier time taking the Suez because the British would divert tanks in the Western Desert Force to defend the more valuable Abadan refinery and Iraqi oil wells from the Soviets.

The Japanese have no problem taking the British east Indies while the Brits are fending off the Soviets and Italians in the Middle East.
 
A Dunkirk disaster must lead to German victory.

Respectfully disagree. It will slow the British down but it does not necessarily stop them. Give Halifax a bad case of sore throat that day...

Suppose a no halt order, 300k troops surrender in the Flanders pocket on June 3, 1940 after being mowed down on the beaches by Junkers for several days.

Lots of POWs but some will escape regardless. Britain will be demoralized but she is not broken.

Spain joins the war expecting Britain to make a quick peace.

Doubtful, Britain's navy is still very much intact and German troops are exhausted. Germany may proceed with Operation Happy but I do not believe Spain's involvement is guaranteed, especially so close to the end of the civil war.

Fearing that the invincible German Wehrmacht will turn to the east the Soviets quickly request talks in late June for deepening the Nazi Soviet alliance and dismantling the effete British Empire.

I'm not a fan of De Gaulle but he was beating the Germans in his sector before his government surrendered. Analysis was already showing that the Germans were not invincible, but they had C3I and air power/combined arms down fairly well thatks to the Soviet author.

After several weeks of negotiations in July the Soviets agree to invade Persian Gulf, and Hitler agrees to keep troops out of Finland and pressure Turkey to accept Soviet warships through the Bosporus.

Lol wut? Soviets are going to extract a *Heavy* price for their cooperation, including the Baltic states, Moldavia, and possibly suerzanity over Bulgaria and Romania.

A Soviet and Italian pincer attack on the Middle East wipes out the British presence in the area. The Japanese begin taking out the British East Indies in December as the Soviets are landing paratroopers in Oman. The Japanese think that the all powerful Axis alliance (Germans, Italians, Spanish, and Soviets) will protect them so they don't fear US intervention. The Brits then seek an armistice in May 1941 after a critical portions of their empire have been taken off the map and the Germans are poised to launch the invasion deathblow to the British.

And you just about brought the US into the war for fear of global domination by the Commie-Nazi alliance. Britain will get lend-lease immediately and pursue containment strategies while partisanship begins in occupied areas fairly quickly. Stalin also lacks the logistics to carry out a lot of what you propose, never mind the Italians.
 
If Hitler didn't decide to let the British troops evacuate (because he was such a nice fellow, this Hitler guy) Josef Stalin would have transformed himself into a giant aryan racoon and would have just eaten up the Royal Navy. Hitler would have then dropped through a parachute on Britain, so that the scared British population would praise him as the second coming of Christ.
 
and possibly suerzanity over Bulgaria
The only impediment to a Nazi-Commie alliance was Stalin/Russian fixation on control of the Bosporus. Hitler's crushing victory at Dunkirk would convince Stalin to compromise on the issue. Once Turkey can't expect British help Turkey will readily cave in to German and Russian pressure, guarantee Soviets access to the Bosporus and give Soviets territorial concessions in the Caucasus in exchange for slices of Syrian territory.
 
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