dcharles
Banned
Wow! You wrote a 3100 word answer in response to a 17 word comment. Six pages!
Props.
Due Opposition - Capitulation Over Cuba
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Wow! You wrote a 3100 word answer in response to a 17 word comment. Six pages!
Props.
I find it funny I was about to post the next Chapter only to see this. I don't have a good sense of humour though, as some may see in the upcoming.
-JustStars
-JustStars
Chapter Two - Shattered Hopes
Due Opposition - Chapter Two: Shattered Hopes
“This is an unmitigated disaster, and pardon my language Mr. President, you need to fucking mitigate it.”
- Unknown, Tape from John F. Kennedy Presidential Library
“General LeMay retires, General McKee to replace LeMay as Air Force Chief of Staff”
- News Coverage, January 14th
“Kennedy entered into the New Year with both sides furious, hopes in him flung across the gulf and shot dead in Cuba, and his popularity seemingly at its nadir. Yet, his State of the Union would go without note, failing to woo his opponents, failing to satisfy his former proponents. Kennedy’s charm seemed to have dried up.”
- A. Adams ‘Crisis on our Shores’
"1962 ended as a poor year for Kennedy, 1963 seemed set from the beginning to be worse. Republicans just shredded Democrats in the midterms, and all the blame was set squarely on the President. The Southern Democrats were burning their bridge to prevent themselves from becoming the second Lister Hill, Johnson was throwing a fit about his future behind closed doors, but that could be settled.
What couldn’t was the Elephant in the Room, Richard Nixon, the Leader of the Opposition, to substitute in British Terminology, if the Papers can do it so can I. Instead of being a Governor, Nixon was playing shadow President, dancing about Europe, shaking hands with world leaders while Kennedy was stuck at home pulling Damage Control.
One by one, those who broke away from the Administration would find themselves in a new location. Curtis LeMay, following his early retirement just a day before the State of the Union, overshadowed it in all respects as he flew off to find a new position as “Military Advisor” to Nixon.”
- W. Richards, ‘In Defense of Kennedy - Context’
“Kennedy was screwed, do I really need to add more context?”
- D. Philips, ‘stupid essay 23’
“Yes”
- Mr. Tawly, ‘stupid essay 23’ Response
Nixon was inaugurated to a score of applause in California, instantly earning the bestowed title of ‘Leader of the Opposition’ by the press. Nixon, never quite interested in the role of Governor itself, certainly didn’t decry the label, despite his promise not to run for President come 1964. Certainly the most strange affair was his tour of Europe, meeting with many foreign leaders on an unofficial basis.
“Gaitskell released from Hospital, declined to meet with Nixon to ‘Recuperate Health’”
- News Coverage, January 30th
“Nixon-Home meetings subject to many rumours, little in hard facts”
- News Coverage, January 31st
“Nixon to visit West Berlin as final stop on European Tour.”
- News Coverage, February 16th
Reactions at home were ambivalent to Nixon’s tour, though he met a warm reception abroad. Many, despite his pledge to the contrary, were expecting a run come 1964, with Nixonfavoured in the polls. For Kennedy, that New Frontier of the 1960’s had swiftly turned towards Unfilled Hopes, with the Narrative seemingly beyond Kennedy’s control.
That was due to change, with a month of preparation, Kennedy set forth to restore trust in his administration. A Tour across the nation, to talk with the voters, and hopefully bring back some of the Hope that had been burned away with the Order he had to give. It would be the moment to restore the dream.
But it was not to be.
“Armed Assailant attacks Kennedy Critic, Major General Edwin Walker. Walker Injured, Would be Assassin Dead!”
- Headline covering the attempted assassination of Edwin Walker
“Inside Report - Could the attempt on General Walker’s life be a move to silence critics by the Kennedies?”
- Headline covering the attempted assassination of Edwin Walker
“Lee Harvey Oswald, Walker Assailant potentially tied to Mafia? Kennedys?”
- Headline covering the attempted assassination of Edwin Walker
“Who is Lee Harvey Oswald? The CIA-Mafia-Kennedy Connection”
- Conspiracy Theory Promoting Pamphlet
“Learn the Truth! The Kennedies sent Lee Harvey Oswald to kill General Walker! All the Facts in one easy to read set!”
- Conspiracy Theory Promoting Pamphlet
“No, President Kennedy was not at all involved in the attempted assassination of Edwin Walker. That Notion is Preposterous”
- Michael Tandy, Interview
“While no ties could be made to the Kennedys and the would-be assassin, sensationalist articles went hard on the bad blood between the Kennedys and Walker, possibly stoked in private by Walker himself. It would prove to be yet another in a series of blows to President Kennedy”
- Loch Morrows, ‘Kennedy Under Siege: the Cuban Crisis and its Aftermath”
For those who wondered if the Kennedy assassination was going to happen on due, I do hope this resolves those questions, less this be relegated to utter ASB and resurrection technology be developed. As well, I subject you to my horrible attempt at comedy with the essay joke, my apologies if that caused any accidental deaths from the pain it might have pushed upon your soul. I do hope you otherwise enjoyed.
-JustStars
marathag
Banned
This is what happened in a way, the local Militia called the Popular Force, and the Regional Force that was a National Guard equivalent for each Province grew in capability, but in no means equipped to deal with a conventional invasion, but by 1970, had the VC/Insurrection problem contained. This was the RF/PF, or Ruff Puffs to US Troops.
a parallel organization was the CIDG, Civilian Irregular Defense Group, that what the Green Berets and CIA was up to, making militia from the Montagnards, the other groups that were not exactly on good terms with the Majority Vietnamese. By time Westmoreland was on the way out, MACV decide that they were too independent, and began rolling them into the RF command structure
marathag
Banned
Tricky Dick was very liberal in some ways. I've mentioned in tha past that Noam Chomsky was on record that he thought was the last liberal President the US had.
Looking at his career overall, and at his candid personal attitudes (and those of his trusted handpicked men) as revealed in various ways post-administration (such as the Frost interviews and interviews with former officials, the tapes, etc) he was first and foremost an opportunist, interested in power for power and glory's sake--to show up the well-off snobs who snubbed him in college back in Whittier and so forth. He was "liberal" to the degree he judged the overwhelming consensus of his age to be liberal, but given an opportunity to turn to reactionary solutions he took it. Whatever would position himself as the great leader was his ideology. Per the Constitution's apologists in the Federalist Papers and so on, this is fine, "ambition checks ambition" and all that, in the liberal quasi-market oriented mindset that holds that a properly designed constitution harnesses self-centered drives just as competitive free markets harness private greed to public good, via the ability of third party prospective employees or customers to walk away from a bad deal and seek out good ones. (Not that the Framers were up on Smith's Wealth of Nations; rather we have here parallel evolution of different aspects of one ideological paradigm developing to account for an emerging liberal world order). I should note I am using the word "liberal" in two different senses in this single paragraph! Formally speaking it is a world view that seemed downright reactionary by the 1960s (and still more so in the 1930s and '40s) strongly expressed by the Jacksonian Democrats of the mid-19th century and the ruling parties of Britain, which had in context radically progressive aspects at the time versus Old Regime type aristocratic authoritarianism and paternalism, but in the context of the concrete grievances and concerns of the vast majority of practically close to propertyless working people in the 20th century was conservative in denying this public legitimate redress in the form of massive social democratic intervention in market outcomes. In peculiar American parlance on the other hand, the labels of "socialist" or even "social democratic" were to be avoided as radioactive as the fundamental "common sense" of American ideology, which say the Libertarian Party captures very succinctly (and in the context of "Reagan Revolution," St Ronnie himself put it as "government is not the solution, government is the problem"). Therefore the New Deal consensus enabled mainstream politicians to embrace the continuities between classic liberal thought and collective ad hoc governmental interventionism and claim (with some justice I think, toward the sentiments if not the logical content of classic liberalism, which politically speaking Americans embraced as an expression of populism) that they were the real liberals. In fact it was the deep conservatives who were most faithful to the logic and formalism of what people like Jefferson and Jackson were driving toward, leading logically to Libertarian claims that "that government that governs least governs best, that government is best that governs not at all." Of course classic conservatives (in the American rather than European context) have and had plenty of vested interests that require a very strongly interventionist state on their behalf--property rights, in Libertarian mythology, defend themselves via dispersed populist self-interest (untrustworthy partners acquire bad reputations and so forth, very bad actors outrage the common-sense proprieties and are put down by vigilante action, etc) but in fact the sort of property rights that emerge from capitalist competition are tightly centralized interests of a vanishingly few people, and a mystique of state majesty is quite necessary to sustain them--the alternative would be something akin to industrial feudalism, as rival gangs of the very rich freely employ mercenary enforcers against each other with a Mafia-like ruthlessness. Society's contradictions cannot be wished away with verbal formulas; institutions exist and the question is, who controls them and to what purposes. The New Deal consensus held that by and large, provided their bad tendencies were kept in prudent check by judicious government supervision and strategic intervention, the evolution of the centralized corporate order served well enough, and we need not be concerned if the masses of people paid little attention to the details of government and left those complexities to collegial deals struck between formal representatives of elected state power and the corporate elites pursuing enlightened self-interest--provided that gross and outrageous forms of private interest were judiciously deterred, the smarter magnates would let their hired managers reach consensus fair deals with legitimate working class interests. That's what Americans meant by "liberal" in the post-war years. We could justify calling Nixon that in that he was consistently pals with the corporate elites all through his career, and inheriting the New Deal consensus that considerable scope for forms of government intervention were legitimate no matter what Thomas Jefferson might have thought about it, there was plenty of scope for his own personal stamp of glory without stepping on his patron corporation toes. But the notion that this somehow guaranteed he'd be what we'd call progressive on issues like racial equity, gender equity, working class prosperity, safety of the public from sharp corporate practices either fiscal or environmental, and so on, involves a leap of faith that should corporate collective interest veer toward raising profits via cutting corners, the Constitutional political side of things would automatically rebuff them. That was the New Deal faith, and the Democratic party was supposed to provide reasonable vigilance in protecting the common citizen from extremes as a quid pro quo for securing the basic right of the privileged to enjoy their wealth and power--for the common good.
I don't think the OTL Nixon Administration gives us much ground for believing Nixon would gainsay sharp corporate practices in favor of profit because of scrupulous regard for the interests of the common citizen. Of course conservatives of his type do believe they have those interests at heart, but they define legitimate citizens who deserve consideration as those who are most cooperative with the schemes of their betters, socially speaking. In the abstract we had Nixon enacting such "liberal" reforms as inaugurating the Environmental Protection Agency for instance, but in practice of course its regulations were honed to step on corporate toes as little as possible, on the theory that win-wins were always the best solution. Of course they are when they are possible, but the point is that in reality they often are not, and when the hard choice has to be made, such people as Nixon will gratify the powerful and leave masses of common citizens to twist in the wind. We know he had some pretty deplorable racial attitudes--not just the generic scorn of African-Americans all too common in the USA, but the whole hierarchal package of ethnic stereotypes, anti-Semitic, scornful of this that and the other specific subgroup of generically "white" people, common to the consistent if monstrous Social Darwinist racism that was forthright early in the 20th century. Again these were in fact largely checked by his ambition for electoral popularity, but in the specific matter of his approach toward African-American relations we see a ruthless tendency to take advantage of majority racism to throw them under the bus. The whole "War on Drugs" that so massively distorts American society to this day was part of Nixonian maneuvers to discredit his "enemies" after all.
So, I am arguing that in the context of the ATL debacle of a rhetorical flirtation of essentially corporatist and conservative "moderate liberalism" with an aura of an alternative form of vaguely leftist "revolution" that OTL had its severe limits but especially under LBJ delivered major advances and gave comfort to those who hoped for a gradual advance toward social democracy, and replacing it with a surge of old time religion classic 19th century style conservatism arguing that the interventions of the New Deal era were already an excessive mistake (if not, as the John Birch Society's founding papers argued forthrightly if absurdly, a full on treasonous conspiracy of One Worlders who secretly ruled both the USSR and USA), Nixon would not pursue an aura of liberalism in the American sense. He would lean on the right wing base of the American Way, not as liberals such as Norman Lear would later defend it as advancing New Dealism, but the actual American Way as developed in the triumphant years of the 20th century by and large--ongoing Jim Crow in the South (he might rhetorically deplore it for his substantial liberal-moderate supporters, but signal effectively to Southern and like minded types outside the South that nothing would be done to further upset them and thus retain their support too--and this is nothing different than the OTL "Southern Strategy" so infamously in play in both the 1968 and 1972 elections after all); no aid and comfort to feminists or other social radicals, no promises of general social safety nets, increased reliance on the magic of the marketplace--indeed, Reaganism 20 years early. When it starts to go pear-shaped in the later '60s we have ample reason, considering the authoritarian and lawless nature of Nixon's responses to political adversity OTL, to suppose he'd double down on "Law and Order" in favor of the Silent Majority. And for a time I think such a strategy would be a winning one.
I am also speculating that with the Great Depression still in living memory, such expedients will be more opposed in the long run by large numbers of citizens leading to a leftist countersurge in later times, by 1980 or so. By then of course Nixon himself might have served out two terms conventionally deemed effective and even glorious, and the blame fall on lesser successors.
Chapter Three - Dare to Dream
Due Opposition - Chapter Three: Dare to Dream
By the time of the attempt on Walker’s life, Kennedy had already breached his what seemed to be his lowest point, his approval ratings had cratered into the low forties, his own Vice President seemed to be burning bridges, and well laid connections in the media had turned to ash. In the midst of mounting health issues, Kennedy once again turned to Dr. Max Jacobson, despite his removal a few months before due to his inappropriate provision of steroids and amphetamines to the President.
Yet only two days after the Walker incident, in the midst of media storm and physical pain, Kennedy would be faced with yet another issue: The South. In Birmingham, a campaign for civil rights was underway, and it’s leader, Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King and his associates had been arrested, soon followed by an open letter from a Birmingham Jail.
While King would soon be released on bail, the eyes of the World and America turned towards the rights of African Americans following the events of early May. Children protesting were beset upon by plumes of water from fire hoses, and even police dogs were used in the process to arrest the children. Many looked upon it with shock and disgust. In the midst of it all, Democrats, and most of all Kennedy, were forced to thread a line between isolating what could be salvaged of their southern support, and standing for the principles which would be necessary to secure the north.
Robert Kennedy would make an unproductive meeting with a group of mostly black figures, headed by James Baldwin. One of the few immediate consequences would simply be the increased FBI surveillance of Baldwin following the meeting at the AG’s orders. But as Tensions simmered over the hot summer months, and protests were under way, Kennedy was in contention over making a speech to address the matter as Governor George Wallace stood in the way of two Black Students. Despite the urgings of his brother, it would not go ahead.
Protests would go underway with minimal national note until a day in august finally came. Hundreds of Thousands of people would March on Washington, dreams of freedom in their hearts. August 28th though, would soon turn sour. No one knew who fired the first shots, but in the midst of a speech by Reverend King, a series of bangs rang out as he spoke of a dream.
What followed would be burned into the memories of all those who witnessed it.
The Tragedy of the 28th had begun. A Chaos had begun, police were sent in to try and contain it as the streets of Washington D.C. resolved themselves into a commotion, many trampled in the chaos. In due time, the armed forces were called in to succeed where the Police had failed, but it was too late for many. A Few Hundred were killed in the chaos, and hundreds more injured. The Gunmen had escaped in the chaos, and were never found.
Something different here, I could not think of any places to properly put headlines, given there is not much subversion of the actual course of history, excusing the obvious, at which point it felt like it took away from the post instead of adding to it.
-JustStars
Chapter Four - To Preach Freedom
Due Opposition - Chapter Four: To Preach Freedom
“Kennedy to address nation after events in Washington”
- News Coverage, August 29th
“Senator Clair Engle dies after complications from a surgery, Governor Nixon to announce replacement soon”
- Headline, August 29th
“The March on Washington and the following Tragedy marked a turning point in the Civil Rights movement. While previous actions had captured some attention, the March and its aftermath caused hearts and minds to be one and lost in a single day. It drew the lines in the sand, and Kennedy had to choose a side.”
- Ross Reid, ‘The Long Road to Freedom’
“Governor Nixon names retired General Curtis LeMay to replace Senator Engle”
- Headline, August 30th
“Good evening, my fellow citizens:
Two days ago, following a series of escalations, the presence of the United States Military was required to restore order and peace to the Capital of our nation. This order was not made lightly, and while the circumstances are yet uncertain, we must, as Americans, consider the root cause of these Tragic events...”
- John F. Kennedy, Civil Rights Address
The United States exited the Summer of 1963 with Kennedy at his lowest point. Yet, while opinion on Kennedy’s address was positive, despite the clear and present distaste from the South. A Few Days later, a Civil Rights Bill began a long journey to becoming law, following up on many of the themes Kennedy discussed in his address.
“Kennedy to tour country, meet with Representatives and Senators to gather support for Civil Rights Act, re-election”
- Headline, September 12th
“Five killed in church bombing in Birmingham, all young black girls.”
- Headline, September 15th
“The Events of August and September marked a change in the views of America on Civil Rights. It hardened the resolve of the South’s opposition, while many in the North and West grew further and further opposed. Kennedy was stuck in the midst of it, and it seemed to many analysts at the time that the era of the solidly democratic south was at an end.”
- Jason Sneed, ‘Old South, New South: From Dixie to Meridia’
“President Kennedy has just exited the funeral of three of the the girls killed three days ago. Reports say that President Kennedy met with Reverend King briefly following the later’s speech. Kennedy did not give a speech during the funeral.”
- News Coverage, September 18th
“The Nadir of Kennedy’s presidency was at an end come October of 1963. Approval ratings had recovered back into the positive, and his ongoing tour of the nation was met with cheering crowds, even in some of the South. But during a visit to California during November, whilst meeting with both Governor Nixon and Senator LeMay, it turned sour. Many view that meeting as the moment Nixon decided to run for President in 1964.”
- Daniel Reedwater, ‘1964: Ascendant’
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To note, if anyone ever has any suggestions , I am entirely open to considering them, and encourage you to voice them. Similar applies to any questions anyone might have.
-JustStars
-JustStars
Perhaps we could see the development of American support for Katanga, and Kasgi, changing the viewpoint after the death of the secretary general.
Chapter Five - New Era Dawning
Due Opposition - Chapter Five: New Era Dawning
“1964 was no sure thing, but the ball was clearly in the Republican’s court. A Set of candidates had clearly emerged come the start of the Primary Season. Senator Barry Goldwater, the horseman of Republican Conservatism, had a strong margin and was viewed as the secondary frontrunner next to the man everyone since 1962 expected to be the nominee.
Richard Nixon, Governor, former Vice President, and nominee in 1960, with a key position as the frontrunner with a large backing of a moderate base, he was threading the careful line that many hoped would ensure victory. Of course, a rematch is no sure bet, and similarly many fear the only man who could lose to Kennedy in 1964 would be the same man who lost in 1960.
A Number of other contenders had emerged, foremost among them Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, the effective leader of the faded Liberal Wing. Soon burdened by scandal, his campaign would recede into the background of the Nixon-Goldwater contest.”
- Daniel Reedwater, ‘1964: Ascendant’
“Nixon to run for President!”
- Headline, January 2nd
“Senator Goldwater will challenge Kennedy”
- Headline, January 5th
“We will stand for Freedom, for Democracy, for Liberty, at home and abroad”
- John F. Kennedy, January 8th
“Nixon by all means was by far the assumed nominee the day he won that Governor’s race, many underestimated Goldwater, but Nixon never did.”
- H.R. Haldeman, Interview
“Kennedy swears there will be ‘no capitulation in Panama’ after attacks in the Canal Zone, which killed 3 American Soldiers.”
- Headline, January 15th
“Senator Margaret Chase Smith enters Presidential Race”
- Headline, January 27th
“Chart Topping British Band ‘The Beatles’ met with roaring cheers in New York upon arrival”
- Headline, February 8th
“Hoffa convicted!”
- Headline, March 4th
“The Republicans who raced to be the nominee in 1964 soon to meet their first roadblock, New Hampshire. Northeastern, it was the expectation for many for Nixon to secure it, and if not him, Rockefeller. Goldwater at that point had already written off the state, turning his eyes to greener pastures as the results trickled in.”
- Daniel Reedwater, ‘1964: Ascendant’
“Nixon wins New Hampshire, Goldwater in far Second”
- Headline, March 11th
“Rockefeller drops out, endorses Nixon”
- Headline, April 28th
“New Hampshire gave Nixon a false sense of security. By that point, it seemed well and sure he’d be nominated. Many primaries had been written off a sure win for either, which in time it would prove to be, but all bets seemed to be on California, which Nixon wrongly assumed would be a certain victory.”
- Diana Tep, ‘Turning Points’
“It’s a two man race. Former Vice President, 1960 Nominee, and California Governor, Richard Nixon, against Senator Barry Goldwater. Both have been running evenly matched. We’ll be bringing you coverage of this important race throughout the night”
- News Coverage, June 2nd
“Goldwater has claimed a narrow edge throughout the night. If he maintains this lead, it seems all but certain that Barry Goldwater will be the Republican nominee.”
- News Coverage, June 3rd
“Barry Goldwater bests Nixon in California!”
- Headline, June 3rd
“The one thing that cost Nixon in California was his pledge to not run, absolutely”
- Unknown, Source not Provided
“Nixon, upon receiving the news, considered his options. Come the Convention, a deal was struck. Nixon would back Goldwater, ensuring a clean convention, have a role in the selection of Goldwater’s running mate, and if Goldwater won, which Nixon privately doubted the likelihood of, he would be named Secretary of State.”
- Loch Morrows, Kennedy out, Goldwater in: From the Primaries to China
“Commotion in Moscow, simple incident or attempted coup?”
- Headline, June 7th
“Leonid Brezhnev, Soviet Second-in-Command, dismissed from all roles”
- Headline, June 10th
“The June 6th Incident was likely a failed coup.”
- Declassified CIA Report
“Civil Rights Bill passes the House”
- Headline, June 17th
“Barry Goldwater has been officially nominated as Republican Candidate for President, and California Senator and former General Curtis LeMay will be his running mate”
- News Coverage of the 1964 Republican National Convention
“He is the man who, after the greatest campaign in history, will be Mr. President — Barry Goldwater".
- Richard Nixon
“Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.”
- Barry Goldwater
“LeMay’s position on the ticket was likely an act of veiled sabotage by Nixon. LeMay, while the reasons for selection were numerous, Military experience, a clear opposition to Kennedy, and such a Hawk he gave the top of the ticket a run, he also wasn’t the easiest to keep out of the limelight. He gave no regional diversity, it was a ticket of the far west, and that alone…”
- E.O. Lawrence, ‘The True Dick Nixon’
“It was fitting that the hawks of all hawks would face down Kennedy. While the relation of the tops of the Tickets were cordial, even a few informal debates being held on a trail before the realities of them being damaging to the ailing Kennedy came to pass…”
- Jason Sneed, ‘Elections in the United States: from Washington to the Disputeds”
“Caution is the… better part of Valor”
- John F. Kennedy, following the Gulf of Tonkin incident
“Kennedy re-nominated, Johnson still on the ticket”
- Headline, August 28th
“I, if elected, am committed to ensuring a victory in Vietnam in particular, and for democracy in general”
- Barry Goldwater in response to if he supports using Nuclear Weapons in Vietnam
“Martin Luther King Jr. awarded Nobel Peace Prize”
- Headline, October 14th
“Sir Alec Douglas-Home narrowly holds on in close British Race”
- Headline, October 15th
“Former President Hoover has passed. He has lived over 30 years past the end of his presidency, committing himself to…”
- News Coverage, October 20th
“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. We will keep in mind and remember that Barry Goldwater has faith in us. He has faith that you and I have the ability and the dignity and the right to make our own decisions and determine our own destiny.”
- Ronald Reagan
“Approaching Election Day, the polls were strikingly competitive, jumping between Goldwater and Kennedy’s Favour. But, come Election Day, Goldwater had a narrow lead. Expectations for Democrats in the Senate and House were far starker, their once large majorities were now possibly within grabbing distance of Republicans for the first time since a decade before. It was to be down to the wire.”
- Jason Seed, ‘Elections in the United States: from Washington to the Disputeds’
“Barry Goldwater has been elected 36th President of the United States”
- News Coverage, November 3rd.
“Republicans set to gain both the House and the Senate”
- News Coverage, November 5th.
“Thank you for those who contributed to my campaign, I now look forward to my early retirement.”
- John F. Kennedy
“It was the election that changed America’s future… forever”
- Unknown, Source not Provided
The House will sit at 242 to 193, Republican's Favour, and the Senate will be a Tie. Now, the end of the beginning has come. This is where the fun begins.
-JustStars
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Probably the closest JFK could have come to a backdown would be an open trade of the missiles in Cuba for the Jupiters in Turkey. For an argument that this would not have been politically disastrous for JFK, see my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...issile-crisis-going-hot.336178/#post-10006914
Indeed, a leader of the Young Americans for Freedom, who were picketing the White House with placards reading INVADE! and APPEASEMENT IS FOR COWARDS, when asked about a Cuba-Turkey missile trade, said "Sure, we'd go for that." https://books.google.com/books?id=3EHqCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA117
Indeed, a leader of the Young Americans for Freedom, who were picketing the White House with placards reading INVADE! and APPEASEMENT IS FOR COWARDS, when asked about a Cuba-Turkey missile trade, said "Sure, we'd go for that." https://books.google.com/books?id=3EHqCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA117
Yea, honestly, the premise is inherently kinda dumb, as for why in place of a proper PoD with an actual reason, Kennedy is just hit on the head by a very heavy book on the Buchanan presidency.
Barry Goldwater has a book of his diaries released called "Pure Goldwater". It may be useful.
JLan1485
Banned
When I came to Jason's last name I really did think it was Sneed the first time I read it and I was disappointed to learn otherwise lol.
Anyway, great stuff I'll be watching and reading for more.
I do not know what you mean, his last name is Sneed, always has been. There was never a Daniel Reed or a Jason Seed, only Jason Sneed.
-JustStars
JLan1485
Banned
I will not eat a single morsel of food until Sneed seizes the means of production and becomes the proprietary of a feed and seed.
Me:
P.S I'm nominating you for a Turtledove now.
I kinda want to make a thread discussion on how to get the initial pod to occur. I don't disagree with it. I think you're justified to handwave it. But it may be an interesting discussion.