Duarte II and Alfred I, the Kings that nobody expected

[kaiidth]

Last days of August 1545
Maria de Valois-Angouleme, Duchess d'Orleans was in deep mourning over the loss of her brother and his family.
These sad circumstances weren't however changing the facts that the last time she had her courses were in the last days of May.
She was pregnant.
He husband was particularly happy about the simple fact that HE and HIS wife were becoming parents in the first year of marriage.
His older brother, the Dauphin Henri was already over 10 years married before he became a Father.
King Francis was also happy, but about two things.
First of course a grandchild but second that Felipe was dead without heirs and his own daughter-in-law, dear Maria was the next in the line of succession as Carlos oldest living heiress.
Whoever killed the Infante Felipe did unknowingly a great favor to the King of France.

 

[kaiidth]

But, kaiidth, IT'S YOUR TL. Do with it as thou wilt.[/QUOTE]

What do you think about other Parts of the TL, Henry and Anne's relations aside.

 

[kaiidth]

Oh, found the of drunk Harry sleeps with Anne of Cleves.
It was written by Kynan " The Horse can breed".
I liked the idea and I liked the story very much.

I don't think my TL is unrealistic about Henry and Anne, in OT his son was alive and even when he wanted a chance for a second son but didn't took in Anne as full wife, he could allow himself to be like he was then, because he had at least one heir.
In TTL his son is suddenly dead, Henry is in shock and was happy that there was actually a bride to be at all.

 

[desmirelle]

kaiidth, as I've posted elsewhere: my chief complaint in fan-writing (including Alt Hist) is ignoring the KNOWN personality of a person. Like having Katherine of Aragon meekly accept Henry's repudiation of her and acknowledging Anne Boleyn as Queen; Henry VIII's open secret revulsion of Anne of Cleves falls into this. He went, in disguise to see her ahead of time and was embarrassed that she didn't recognize him: the courtly love charade he engaged in with Katherine and Anne Boleyn didn't exist in Anne of Cleves' raising. She didn't even dance or play a musical instrument. Without a reason for changing the scenario (he falls and sprains his ankle getting on the horse to go see her in the 'surprise' meeting so it doesn't happen or Jonathan's drunk suggestion - which is how Princess Charlotte of Wales came about OTL), you've got Henry suddenly NOT finding a hot lady in waiting (doesn't have to be Kitty Howard) and meekly following Anne of Cleves' suggestion to "shape up". It's just NOT his personality.

 

[desmirelle]

But it's your TL, if you are fine with it as is, go on with your bad self.

 

[kaiidth]

and meekly following Anne of Cleves' suggestion to "shape up". It's just NOT his personality.[/QUOTE]

He is not meekly following Annes suggestion to shape up. She is using the backdoor of him having to be there to help his heir and so having to make sure that will live long enough.
I really believe that Anne OT was smarter than people gave her credit for.
She wouldn't have liked to have sex with, not even if he would loose some weight but I think that she would have a good way to handle him in her favor as soon as she was in the Position of Power that birthing a son would give her.

 

[desmirelle]

Of course Anne of Cleves was smart - she kept her head, got a title and lands and revenue and kept her head down while being friends with the daughters of her new-found "brother" (Henry VIII). When he suggested an annulment, she was on it. Got out from under a controlling, fun-hating brother and a husband with medical and mental issues. With land and cash, baby! She was the smartest of Henry's wives. Made out like a bandit.

 

[kaiidth]

Of course Anne of Cleves was smart - she kept her head, got a title and lands and revenue and kept her head down while being friends with the daughters of her new-found "brother" (Henry VIII). When he suggested an annulment, she was on it. Got out from under a controlling, fun-hating brother and a husband with medical and mental issues. With land and cash, baby! She was the smartest of Henry's wives. Made out like a bandit.

She was a way smarter woman, than most books and Historians about that time were willing to admit.
That is one of the reasons for the English parts being so pro Queen Anne , that she is having sons and trying to Influence Henry to be a better Person in my timeline, even if the way i reached these Parts are not to everyones liking.

 

[desmirelle]

You're missing it....you've got Henry wedding his fourth wife while in deep mourning for the Prince of Wales, you've got Henry suddenly willing to do his duty (when the death of the son and his health issues mean he probably really can't sustain an erection) without an explanation for his well-known OTL revulsion to her. Throw us a bone: wed him to Anne before the death of Edward and then he'll force himself to do his duty. Just change Edward's date of death.

Delay Edward's death a month, then Henry's change of "heart" about Anne of Cleves is more understandable.

In court, there were prescribed periods of mourning. Three months was deep mourning, no playing, no dancing, no fun, it let up after that. If Edward had died when you posit, the wedding would have been postponed until summer. Just delay Edward's death a month, that's all it takes to change Henry's mind. He's got a wife, and his son has just died. The order in which you've done it doesn't flow with the times in which it happens.

 

[kaiidth]

I will end this TL, my Version of the Tudors seem to be to distracting for the rest of theTimeline

 

[desmirelle]

But what about Duarte II?

 

[kaiidth]

Duarte II will find a new Timeline.

 

[kaiidth]

The only thing about ending this Timeline, that really irks me is that the Scenario for Felipe and his wife and kid was just my best idea for him. Now I have to think of another way if i will try another Timeline.

 

[desmirelle]

You don't have to "end" this TL, k, just re-work it.