Down in Dixie: CSA Victory TL
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1863
Upon Lincoln hearing of Sherman’s position in Indiana. Lincoln relived him and replaced him with General Irvin McDowell. McDowell and his troops marched to capture the undefended Kentucky, while Confederate troops remained in northern Missouri on February 15th. Meanwhile, the Second Battle of Baton Rogue ended with a Confederate victory led by General Patrick Cleburne and marked full control of the Mississippi River on April 8th. McDowell is met by General Braxton Bragg and the Battle of Perryville began and ended with a Union victory on May 9th. The Battle of Chancellorsville ended in a Confederate victory; it also saw General Stonewall Jackson nearly get shot, but managed to get out of the line of fire. General Buell beats back the Confederates from St. Louis on July 4th. Bragg retakes Perryville from McDowell by using cavalry to simulate massive troop movements to the left flank, and instead he took the major part of his army and attacked the Union’s right flank, General Buell was killed by a sharpshooter on September 14th. Bragg requests to CSA President Davis for an invasion into Cincinnati, Ohio to take place in 1864.
Well, that’s it for 1863 Give me ideas of where I should go from here. the Union seems like it’s in a lot of trouble with Grant and Sherman gone from command and Buell dead. Also what would be the consequences of the Peace Democrats taking the majority in the House.
Upon Lincoln hearing of Sherman’s position in Indiana. Lincoln relived him and replaced him with General Irvin McDowell. McDowell and his troops marched to capture the undefended Kentucky, while Confederate troops remained in northern Missouri on February 15th. Meanwhile, the Second Battle of Baton Rogue ended with a Confederate victory led by General Patrick Cleburne and marked full control of the Mississippi River on April 8th. McDowell is met by General Braxton Bragg and the Battle of Perryville began and ended with a Union victory on May 9th. The Battle of Chancellorsville ended in a Confederate victory; it also saw General Stonewall Jackson nearly get shot, but managed to get out of the line of fire. General Buell beats back the Confederates from St. Louis on July 4th. Bragg retakes Perryville from McDowell by using cavalry to simulate massive troop movements to the left flank, and instead he took the major part of his army and attacked the Union’s right flank, General Buell was killed by a sharpshooter on September 14th. Bragg requests to CSA President Davis for an invasion into Cincinnati, Ohio to take place in 1864.
Well, that’s it for 1863 Give me ideas of where I should go from here. the Union seems like it’s in a lot of trouble with Grant and Sherman gone from command and Buell dead. Also what would be the consequences of the Peace Democrats taking the majority in the House.
I got a question to all the people who are reading this, I was planning to do an American War (Union vs Confederacy Part 2) but I was wondering how it could start, western skirmish escalated? I would also like it to end in a white peace like how @TheRockofChickamauga did. If y’all have any suggestions I would like to hear them
1864
On July 17th, Bragg would invade Cincinnati to cut supply lines to the Union and also to deliver a demoralizing blow to the Union war effort. Bragg would claim victory on July 19th in the Battle of Cincinnati. On August 29th through the 31st, the Democrats would met at their national convention. Tired of war and Northern lives being lost. The Democrats adopted a peace platform and nominated Thomas Seymour of Connecticut and George Pendleton of Ohio as his running mate. Earlier in June, Lincoln was renominated with opposition. Lincoln knew he would not win re-election as little to no ground was gained against the Confederacy. On November 8, 1864 Lincoln lost to Seymour by a large margin. The Democrats (the Peace wing) gained a little bit in the House and the Senate. Lincoln has said after he lost re-election “The Union is lost forever”.
On July 17th, Bragg would invade Cincinnati to cut supply lines to the Union and also to deliver a demoralizing blow to the Union war effort. Bragg would claim victory on July 19th in the Battle of Cincinnati. On August 29th through the 31st, the Democrats would met at their national convention. Tired of war and Northern lives being lost. The Democrats adopted a peace platform and nominated Thomas Seymour of Connecticut and George Pendleton of Ohio as his running mate. Earlier in June, Lincoln was renominated with opposition. Lincoln knew he would not win re-election as little to no ground was gained against the Confederacy. On November 8, 1864 Lincoln lost to Seymour by a large margin. The Democrats (the Peace wing) gained a little bit in the House and the Senate. Lincoln has said after he lost re-election “The Union is lost forever”.
1865
With the the Peace Democrats taking a majority of the House and the Senate, Lincoln met with Judah Benjamin in Washington back in 1864 and agreed to an armistice. For 3 months, The Confederacy and the Union armies stood in a ceasefire until the peace conference began. The Confederate peace commission asked both British and French ambassadors Richard Lyons and Henri Mercer to be the conference arbitrators. the Treaty of Washington’s points were the following.
-The United States will cede the Arizona Territory and the Indian Territory to the Confederacy.
-The United States shall recognize the Confederate States.
-The Mississippi River shall be a free trade waterway for the United States and the Confederate States.
-The United States will recognize the Second Mexican Empire.
-Missouri will be divided by the Missouri River, the northern half will be ceded to the United States; the southern half will be ceded to the Confederate States.
-Both sides will demilitarize at each other’s country borders.
-Both sides will pay war indemnities.
The treaty was ratified by both American countries on June 10, 1865
With the the Peace Democrats taking a majority of the House and the Senate, Lincoln met with Judah Benjamin in Washington back in 1864 and agreed to an armistice. For 3 months, The Confederacy and the Union armies stood in a ceasefire until the peace conference began. The Confederate peace commission asked both British and French ambassadors Richard Lyons and Henri Mercer to be the conference arbitrators. the Treaty of Washington’s points were the following.
-The United States will cede the Arizona Territory and the Indian Territory to the Confederacy.
-The United States shall recognize the Confederate States.
-The Mississippi River shall be a free trade waterway for the United States and the Confederate States.
-The United States will recognize the Second Mexican Empire.
-Missouri will be divided by the Missouri River, the northern half will be ceded to the United States; the southern half will be ceded to the Confederate States.
-Both sides will demilitarize at each other’s country borders.
-Both sides will pay war indemnities.
The treaty was ratified by both American countries on June 10, 1865
1866
As the now independent Confederacy began Reconstruction. Partisan divide and cracks began to show as two parties began to form. On one side, the Democrats supported states rights and the planter class and a mainly agrarian society, while the anti administration began to form the Confederate Party. the Confederates supported internal improvements, industrialization, and powers of the Confederate Congress. Both sides could however, agree on a strong military, due to a strong neighbor up North. With the naval blockade lifted, the Confederacy economic woes began to lessen as trade resumed and Jefferson Davis cut the Confederate Army to peacetime size as they had a friendly president up North. However, it would be short lived as the Cotton Bust of 1866 would hit as cotton prices began to plummet. The Deep South states would be hit worse than the upper South as the upper South had some industrialization. The final thing of note that took place in 1866 was the state of Jefferson was admitted as a state out of the Arizona Territory.
As the now independent Confederacy began Reconstruction. Partisan divide and cracks began to show as two parties began to form. On one side, the Democrats supported states rights and the planter class and a mainly agrarian society, while the anti administration began to form the Confederate Party. the Confederates supported internal improvements, industrialization, and powers of the Confederate Congress. Both sides could however, agree on a strong military, due to a strong neighbor up North. With the naval blockade lifted, the Confederacy economic woes began to lessen as trade resumed and Jefferson Davis cut the Confederate Army to peacetime size as they had a friendly president up North. However, it would be short lived as the Cotton Bust of 1866 would hit as cotton prices began to plummet. The Deep South states would be hit worse than the upper South as the upper South had some industrialization. The final thing of note that took place in 1866 was the state of Jefferson was admitted as a state out of the Arizona Territory.
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Why is there a Cotton bust? Prices of Cotton in 1861 rose to about 8.60 pence from 6.25 in 1860, and from there all the way out to 1867 were never below 10 pence. British demand did not decisively slacken overall either, despite what people extolling India and Egypt as alternatives state:
I would assume that at this point that Britain would not trade with the Confederacy, due to the slavery issue, plus I also wanted the CSA to industrialize quicker.
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Britain continued to import cotton from Brazil despite slavery, often as much or more than from "Free" Egypt. As for industrialization, the continuation of the cotton economy need not prevent industrialization.
1867
Election season began to determine the second Confederate States president as the respective parties held their nomination conventions. First, was the Democrats that ran on a platform of prioritizing other goods like tobacco, grain, and domestic steel until the bust ended. The race for the nomination was between Secretary of War Judah Benjamin and Vice President Alexander Stephens. After back and forth voting, no candidate had yet to reach a majority until Jefferson Davis endorsed Benjamin due to his animosity for his own Vice President and on the 36th ballot. Benjamin was chosen, they chose Louis Wigfall as his running mate. The Confedrates ran on a platform of rapid state level industrialization and a TransConfederate railway and a stronger military presence. Unlike the Democratic convention, there was no debate of who would be the nominee John Breckinridge was chosen and John Reagan became his running mate. The Confederate citizens would go out and vote on November 5, 1867 as votes were tallied. The results were in. John Breckinridge won carrying the upper South, the new state of Jefferson and Texas while Benjamin won the Deep South.
Election season began to determine the second Confederate States president as the respective parties held their nomination conventions. First, was the Democrats that ran on a platform of prioritizing other goods like tobacco, grain, and domestic steel until the bust ended. The race for the nomination was between Secretary of War Judah Benjamin and Vice President Alexander Stephens. After back and forth voting, no candidate had yet to reach a majority until Jefferson Davis endorsed Benjamin due to his animosity for his own Vice President and on the 36th ballot. Benjamin was chosen, they chose Louis Wigfall as his running mate. The Confedrates ran on a platform of rapid state level industrialization and a TransConfederate railway and a stronger military presence. Unlike the Democratic convention, there was no debate of who would be the nominee John Breckinridge was chosen and John Reagan became his running mate. The Confederate citizens would go out and vote on November 5, 1867 as votes were tallied. The results were in. John Breckinridge won carrying the upper South, the new state of Jefferson and Texas while Benjamin won the Deep South.
1868
Breckinridge would be inaugurated on February 22. He would give a speech outlining his agenda for his administration like strengthening and improving the military and industrializing the Confederacy and making a TransConfederate railroad connecting the whole Confederacy who finished by saying how all of this would be good for the country as a whole. Upon taking office, Breckinridge would be faced with the effects of the bust still being felt (especially in the Deep South) he would meet with several southern aristocrats and state governors and would pitch his idea of an incentive system in return of some industrialization in the states that were hit worse by the bust. Some agreed to do it and some didn’t.
The Democrats took this opportunity to hurt the President politically claiming he was trying to rid the Confederacy of slavery. Breckinridge responded by affirming that it wasn’t his intention to interfere with the plantation system, but only to improve the ways of how the means of production would work and go. With political heat simmering down, Breckinridge would also strengthen the army and the navy. He would increase the regular Confederate Army to 50,000 from Jefferson Davis’ number of 20,000. Breckinridge would also oversee the Navy be improved as he called for new iron clad ships to be commissioned. He improved the Army food supply system with competent officers and he also dismantled Jefferson Davis’ spoils system by switching out generals for competent ones like Patrick Cleburne and John B Gordon. Down south, Mexico had a civil war going on between the Republic army and the imperial army supported by France. Breckinridge decided to use this opportunity and assisted the French and the Imperials in the war, he would send some men down in Mexico to fight alongside them. He would also make Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, the General-in chief of the whole Confederate Army after Robert E Lee retired in 1867.
Breckinridge would be inaugurated on February 22. He would give a speech outlining his agenda for his administration like strengthening and improving the military and industrializing the Confederacy and making a TransConfederate railroad connecting the whole Confederacy who finished by saying how all of this would be good for the country as a whole. Upon taking office, Breckinridge would be faced with the effects of the bust still being felt (especially in the Deep South) he would meet with several southern aristocrats and state governors and would pitch his idea of an incentive system in return of some industrialization in the states that were hit worse by the bust. Some agreed to do it and some didn’t.
The Democrats took this opportunity to hurt the President politically claiming he was trying to rid the Confederacy of slavery. Breckinridge responded by affirming that it wasn’t his intention to interfere with the plantation system, but only to improve the ways of how the means of production would work and go. With political heat simmering down, Breckinridge would also strengthen the army and the navy. He would increase the regular Confederate Army to 50,000 from Jefferson Davis’ number of 20,000. Breckinridge would also oversee the Navy be improved as he called for new iron clad ships to be commissioned. He improved the Army food supply system with competent officers and he also dismantled Jefferson Davis’ spoils system by switching out generals for competent ones like Patrick Cleburne and John B Gordon. Down south, Mexico had a civil war going on between the Republic army and the imperial army supported by France. Breckinridge decided to use this opportunity and assisted the French and the Imperials in the war, he would send some men down in Mexico to fight alongside them. He would also make Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, the General-in chief of the whole Confederate Army after Robert E Lee retired in 1867.
1869
On June 23, 1869, The Imperialists would win the war in Mexico. As part of the treaty, the Second Mexican Empire was established. It was immediately recognized by the Confederacy. Breckinridge would establish trade relations with the Empire and Emperor Maximilian I also made an invitation to any Confederates to come and stay as a sign of goodwill. Breckinridge would then attempt to begin the national railway system known as the TransConfederate railway. He would go about making call to all state governors to begin railway projects and also called a change in the Confederate Constitution to allow the national government to begin construction on the railway system. Several deep southern states had began making railroads across their states borders. With some deep southern states and the upper south, the change to the Constitution would take affect the next year and would allow the national government to oversee the construction. Despite what Breckinridge had accomplished. The Confederate party would lose the house in the midterms, due to his urging of industrialization of the Deep South and the Democrats framing it as an attack on slavery. Setting up a tough 1870.
On June 23, 1869, The Imperialists would win the war in Mexico. As part of the treaty, the Second Mexican Empire was established. It was immediately recognized by the Confederacy. Breckinridge would establish trade relations with the Empire and Emperor Maximilian I also made an invitation to any Confederates to come and stay as a sign of goodwill. Breckinridge would then attempt to begin the national railway system known as the TransConfederate railway. He would go about making call to all state governors to begin railway projects and also called a change in the Confederate Constitution to allow the national government to begin construction on the railway system. Several deep southern states had began making railroads across their states borders. With some deep southern states and the upper south, the change to the Constitution would take affect the next year and would allow the national government to oversee the construction. Despite what Breckinridge had accomplished. The Confederate party would lose the house in the midterms, due to his urging of industrialization of the Deep South and the Democrats framing it as an attack on slavery. Setting up a tough 1870.
1870
The Confederacy would see their economy improve as tobacco and grain would become one of their top trading goods behind cotton of course. The effects of the Cotton Bust of 1866 would finally be eased on May 19, 1870 with a meeting between the Confederate Secretary of State and Prime Minister of Great Britain a trade deal would be finalized with the Confederacy agreeing to sell their cotton for cheap and within months, cotton would surpass as the top trading good once again.
The Confederacy would see their economy improve as tobacco and grain would become one of their top trading goods behind cotton of course. The effects of the Cotton Bust of 1866 would finally be eased on May 19, 1870 with a meeting between the Confederate Secretary of State and Prime Minister of Great Britain a trade deal would be finalized with the Confederacy agreeing to sell their cotton for cheap and within months, cotton would surpass as the top trading good once again.
This TL is not dead, but I do have a question before I resume the TL, how much war debt would the CSA be in? (a numbers estimate)
Part of the CSA debt was in cotton bonds sold in London to be paid for in cotton and high-risk unbacked loans sold in the Netherlands.
Confederate war finance - Wikipedia
There are war bonds sold in the CSA.
Did the CSA suffer the hyperinflation in did OTL?
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The internal improvements at a federal level seem unlikely as this was a policy not liked in the antebellum south.
I think any improvements would be done at a state level not federal. I could see states governments wanting to have as much power as possible leaving a small federal government in Richmond.
I not sure about industrialising beyond building weapons factories.
More money in exporting cotton, tobacco, rice, indigo and naval stores and importing cheap manufactured goods from Europe.
I wonder how the natives America tribes did after CSA independence.
What happened to the Slave states in the Union?
The CSA would need a supreme court and its own postal service. OTL the US post office continued on both side in the civil war.
I think any improvements would be done at a state level not federal. I could see states governments wanting to have as much power as possible leaving a small federal government in Richmond.
I not sure about industrialising beyond building weapons factories.
More money in exporting cotton, tobacco, rice, indigo and naval stores and importing cheap manufactured goods from Europe.
I wonder how the natives America tribes did after CSA independence.
What happened to the Slave states in the Union?
The CSA would need a supreme court and its own postal service. OTL the US post office continued on both side in the civil war.
I would assume so because the war ended in a Peace Democrat victory in the US election of 1864Part of the CSA debt was in cotton bonds sold in London to be paid for in cotton and high-risk unbacked loans sold in the Netherlands.
Hard to say the TL does not give much information on how much the CSA spent compared to OTL.Confederate war finance - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There are war bonds sold in the CSA.
Did the CSA suffer the hyperinflation in did OTL?
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Missouri was split by the Missouri River, the southern half going to the Confederacy thanks to a more successful western campaign and Kentucky is with the CSA, due to them seceding.
The Confederates, I would assume would have a better relationship with the Five Civilized Tribes.