Doomsday Plan Put Into Affect For Northern Ireland?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7610750.stm

What if this put into place by the UK government? What would happen in Northern Ireland when it is announced and implemented? How would the world react? What would be the legacy of the Labour government and Harold Wilson if he did this?

First the paranoia of Glen Barr is laughable, any look at the Irish Defence Forces would have shown that they wouldn't have invaded, nor that the Republic would have taken on the burden of policing NI.

What I find amusing is that if they followed through with this policy it's a variation of where the Republic stood in diplomatic terms with the UK at the time. Up until the 80's at least, at formal events the procedure was Commonwealth nation were presented first, then the Republic's Ambassador (being accredited as a High commissioner though not called High commissioner, a legacy of the 1949 Act) and then all other Ambassadors.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if both Irish representatives had to enter formal occasions at the same time?
 
I wonder what the reaction would have been if both Irish representatives had to enter formal occasions at the same time?

There's a scene from Yes Prime Minister where they are discussing seating at a diplomatic function. Someone suggests alphabetical and it's pointed out that that would mean Iran, Iraq, Ireland and Israel sitting next to each and that would cause WW3.
 
I've always thought that as the name suggested, just like Jack Lynch's Exercise Armageddon, this was something prepared for the absolute worst case scenario in which law and order had completely broken down.
 
There's a scene from Yes Prime Minister where they are discussing seating at a diplomatic function. Someone suggests alphabetical and it's pointed out that that would mean Iran, Iraq, Ireland and Israel sitting next to each and that would cause WW3.

While Iran/Iraq/Israel I get not certain why Ireland would cause WW3, at worst we'd be the peacekeeper in the middle.

It would be funny though if when being presented to the Queen and such that after everything the two Ireland's were treated the same way.

I wonder with the GFA has the policy for the ROI Ambassador changed or is it the same policy?
 
There's a scene from Yes Prime Minister where they are discussing seating at a diplomatic function. Someone suggests alphabetical and it's pointed out that that would mean Iran, Iraq, Ireland and Israel sitting next to each and that would cause WW3.
I need to watch more of that show.
 
Really, you don't see how sitting Jews, Christians and Muslims next to each other could cause a world war?

What is Ireland going to do with Israel. Depending on the period there wouldn't have been any issue. Now the rest together is a receipe for disaster.
 
What could be the demographics results of such ethnic cleansing for Northern Ireland?

In 1971 the NI population was about 1.5 million from what I can tell, so if the Catholic rate is between25%-30% (rough guess) then it would be a fair chunk of people arriving in the ROI.

Though even if the Republic doesn't intervene in such actions (and ethnic Cleansing would make it difficult for them to do nothing), the Republic would be badly destabilised from such an event
 
I wonder if Cameron's wishing he had a Doomsday Plan right now?

Considering the historical violence that NI has seen in the worst of the Troubles the current protests are "relatively minor" and certainly nothing like what would have been going on at the period when this plan was proposed.
 

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Oh, absolutely. I was only joking.

That being said, I was born in 1991 and when the Good Friday Agreement was signed I was only six or seven. I've studied the Troubles but I'm not really in any position to appreciate what the situation was like for my parents' generation.
 
Hmmm

Northern Ireland is weird to drive through, areas especially then were Nationalist or Loyalist so its not as simple as saying Brits leave catholics die.
Several counties are majority Catholic at the time and while the IRA isnt armed at the time without active British support the Unionists will likely lose control of some of these areas, South Armagh, Derry, Newry for example.
If your Catholic in Belfast, well your dead im afraid. If your a Protestant in South Armagh your dead.

British withdrawal drags the Republic in, who are no where near ready to do so but there was a genuine fear the British would withdraw as has been discussed on several other N.I threads. Its a bloodbath across the board and if Britain Does stay out completely the whole edifice will collapse and drag brder areas of the Republic in. While the Irish Army isnt capable of beating the Loyalists it is capable of holding out those majority Catholic areas.
Which is a disaster in of itself as Britain would have to intervene, the PR would be just too bad from the event not to get the Army back in there.
 
While the UDR assisted by the UVF* could almost certainly outfight the Irish Defense Forces could the Irish Defense Forces control the IRA in the event of a "second partition" with the IRA controlled, Catholic majority areas going to the Republic?

*though considering the overlap finding UVF members who weren't also in the UDR was pretty hard in 1975.
 
While the UDR assisted by the UVF* could almost certainly outfight the Irish Defense Forces could the Irish Defense Forces control the IRA in the event of a "second partition" with the IRA controlled, Catholic majority areas going to the Republic?

*though considering the overlap finding UVF members who weren't also in the UDR was pretty hard in 1975.

What were the estimates of numbers for the UVF/UDR in this time period?
 
Bear in mind

Up till the 70's a portion of the UDR were Catholic (amazing isnt it :confused:) so the raw number arent going to be completely right with this POD.
Realistically if its getting to the stage of Irish troops getting involved then your looking at the BRitish getting back involved and some sort of repartition to "solve" the issue. Then lots and lots of ethnic cleasing and a very long bloody troubles even compared to OTL.
 
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