Dominion of Southern America - Updated November 29, 2017

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  1. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    The capital of Hispaniola, Port Prince (or Port-au-Prince as many still know it), was not necessarily the most obvious choice for the island. However, the geopolitics of the Caribbean Theatre of the Napoleonic Wars dictated that Port Prince would be a vital target and supply point for the British forces who took the island. Later, as the city was transformed from military to civil capital, it's position gave easy access to fellow British island colonies Jamaica and Cuba, and the Gulf port of New Orleans in British Louisiana. There were several times that a move of the capital to Santo Domingo was considered, but in the end, when Hispaniola was named a Dominion, its capital was Port Prince.
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  2. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    A nice flag, but too OTL - there is no Trinitaria ITTL, and so likely.
     
  3. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    That certainly is one possibility...
     
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    another point to be brought up is that i dont think Whites in Austrailia and South Africa will like this move. In a racist mindset, why should another race "Less superior" (No Race is less superior or more, i dont support this view, im stating how alot of people felt back then) gain freedom and not them. Public demonstartions turned Riots turned REvolutions could end up happening
     
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    Just so, just so...
    Well, there is the French/Spanish divide on the island. But such a split could be more explosive than keeping them together.
    Good points on that, and useful, too. Thanks!
     
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    Yes, and the economy hasn't been as hurt by either war or isolation from trade as in OTL.
    Hispaniola is definitely a bit different from the rest of the Dominion's Caribbean, but not as much as it would have been OTL, this is true.
    But very interesting thoughts nonetheless.
    Well, there are more trading partners in the region who speak Spanish, and more Spanish speakers at the time in the Dominion, but don't count on it.
     
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    Quite possibly.
    Slavery was not abolished, just rescinded for many of the blacks who stopped fighting the British. Those who did not were in fact killed or re-enslaved. After the war, new slaves were brought in to the fields from outside the island. Once slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire, Hispaniola like other parts of the British Empire imported indentured workers from India as needed.
    Hmmm, didn't know that part...so we overall probably see more of an evening out, at least in the rural areas, of the population, with spanish speaking slaves being brought west, and creole speaking freedmen seeking work in the East. Yes, this will make for even more interesting tensions.
    See comments above.
    So basically you are arguing that West Hispaniola needs slavery to be a decent place?:eek:;) Well, it worked out a bit different since slavery was more curtailed than abolished, at least until indentured labor could fill the gaps.
     
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    Funny, Plumber, very funny!
     
  11. Plumber جعل أميركا أكبر مرة أخرى

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    I'm afraid I haven't been to Queensland however :(

    What's going on in South America?
     
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    Part of that happened as the reconciliation between the Cherokees and the British didn't really finalize until the 1820s.

    Something like English.:D

    Yes, your memory serves correctly.
     
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    I think a lot of people are getting TTL's British Hispaniola too confused with OTL's Haiti. There are still 'white' upper class citizens in Hispaniola (mostly British immigrants and older Criolle families), though they are supplemented by mulatto and even a few black members of the upper class as well. The middle and lower classes are mostly mulatto and black. Of course, the slave classes are black, a mix of creole and spanish speakers.
     
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    Ooops!
    A VERY good question!
     
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    Never let reality get in the way of a good joke :p:D
     
  16. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Indeed, indeed!
     
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    You can get indentured labour to pick cotton, which is backbreaking work for tiny pay, but they will certainly not put up with the old style conditions of sugar production what with it killing you.

    The western end of the island will have to switch to low intensity methods, which means it will suddenly have a very considerable amount of surplus workforce, and no oodles of cash to keep the whites there. I'm not saying Haiti needs slavery, its just still going to be a shitty place without it, and since these *Haitians can migrate they will, and the east will hate that.

    The upper class have the whole empire now to move too, without the mad profits from slavery they are going to piss off elsewhere and leave west hispanola in the same investment pit as the OTL.
     
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    Except that they have the capital which is going to mean that while people may move out of rural areas they are going to move too Port Prince.
     
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