Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 1, 2018

[DuQuense]

NZ is bigger than the UK in terms of land area and is also roughly 2000km from Australia. I don't think it too likely, or indeed necessarily a good idea that the two be run closely together. Maybe some sort of loose confederation might work though

Wasn't there a proposal during the 1900's confederation talks to have NZ being part of Confederation.

 

[Glen]

Very interesting update - I wasn't expecting a new Kalmar Union, but I'll be curious to see how it changes European politics.

not as much as the other changes in europe

Hopefully the union of Denmark and Sweden will further put the ideas of filibustering Greenland and Iceland to bed once and for all...

not necessarily correlated

I completely forgot about French Western Australia. I clearly do need to re-read this thread from start to finish.

it was a while ago.

I always favoured keeping Australia and New Zealand apart, but that's the part of me that likes small(er), unique nations in contrast to large conglomerate multi-national states - hence my original Western Australia comment. Holy Roman Empire over Germany any day of the week

time will tell...

 

[Glen]

Dominion of the Cape

Capital:Cape Town

Languages: English, Dutch, Affrikans

Religionrotestant, Catholic Minority

a definite contender at some point

 

[Glen]

Dominon of Oceania

Capital:Sydney

Language:English, Aboriginal

Religionsrotestant, Animist

too big unless there's something odd in the future, and certainly not soon

 

[Glen]

Dominion of Guyana

Capital:Kingston

Languages:English, French, Dutch, Creole

Religions:Catholic, Protestant, Animist

guyana is possible sometime - you forgot hindu

 

[Glen]

Dominion of Ireland

Capital: dublin

Language:English

Religions: Catholic, Minority Protestant

hmmm...have to think about that one...

 

[Glen]

Yeah sorry. I have a fondness of united Scandinavia's. Add one here and I will be officially sold on this being a better world!

Duly noted - though I should clarify this is not going to be a utopia, though it won't be a dystopia, either. Say rather on balance, mildly better than OTL.

 

[Glen]

no comments on my dominion ideas

inital comments in.

 

[Glen]

They're all right, but not Oceania. With the British focused on more on the America's a larger British Empire elsewhere is ridiculous (good call on South Africa there).

Somewhat agree with Plumber, though Ireland, Ireland...

 

[Glen]

Double posting, Glen? Tut tut

Accidents happen - especially at the accelerated rate you guys are getting this weekend!

Also, yes! Finally a non-united Italy. My love of smaller countries is most pleased by this news!

Well, not as pleased as if the Kingdom of Italy had never come to be, but this is a start, and with nationalism floating around, is about as good as I could expect to get.

Yes. I think the biggest things will be that things will be different, not necessarily more or less countries overall.

 

[Glen]

The languages do not sit right - for one there are many distinct Aboriginal languages, for another, Maori is still widely spoken IOTL and is a unified language with only minor dialect differences. I would think it would still be spoken ITTL, unless there are big divergences

True, true indeed.

 

[thekingsguard]

Duly noted - though I should clarify this is not going to be a utopia, though it won't be a dystopia, either. Say rather on balance, mildly better than OTL.

Thats good though. Means it will be believable. Everything else here so far has been!

 

[Plumber]

Somewhat agree with Plumber, though Ireland, Ireland...

Ah, that could go either way.

 

[Glen]

I think Melbourne is the more likely capital in this era anyway. It's bigger, was taking over in terms of industry I believe, and there was genuine unrest in Sydney at the preception that Melbourne was becoming the "greater" city of the two.

when, though, and will those factors occur in the same enough way to push Melbourne (which will probably not be called Melbourne) into the fore.

 

[Glen]

Wasn't there a proposal during the 1900's confederation talks to have NZ being part of Confederation.

Sounds like something that might have been considered.

 

[Glen]

Thats good though. Means it will be believable. Everything else here so far has been!

Thanks - at this point, we are getting further and further away from speculation on a single POD and more and more into worldbuilding - I may have a vision of what is to come, but I try to have it be internally consistant, and if something else arises as more likely from the developing streams, we go with that.

I must say, it's also providing a nice tour of 19th century world history - which in some ways reads much less plausible than AH!

 

[Glen]

Ah, that could go either way.

I doubt it would become just another dominion - but then again, maybe it would as the stature of being a dominion rises. Some better luck and governance (or more effective tyranny) could lead to it remaining part of the United Kingdom, or it could at some point go independent as most of it did IOTL. Time will tell...

 

[eschaton]

What are those enclaves in Naples?

 

[Glen]

What are those enclaves in Naples?

I believe they are technically part of the Roman Republic as inheritances of the Papal States - I could be wrong....

 

[Earl_of_Somerset]

too big unless there's something odd in the future, and certainly not soon

Are you talking distance or size big? Distance yes its a bit ASB, but size, without West Austrailia, the dominion would be smaller.