Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 1, 2018

[Falastur]

the maps shows the us having internal Alaska if this is so what about a Louisiana purchase happening with us wanting a coastal access point and receiving an offer too good to resist?

The question you need to ask, of course, is what is in that interior? Or rather, whom? Aside from the natives, who don't count as they aren't going to be the ones with any lobbying power, there will be a handful of trappers and probably not any real permanent settlements at all. Where trappers have places to stay there they will likely stay with friendly natives, or they'll just be camping - but in this era the trapping trade will likely be dying down as a profitable business, causing declining numbers of trappers etc. But anyway, the simple issue here is: what is the motivation for seeking to buy Alaska for the sea access? The trappers follow routes towards the Hudson Bay anyway; if they went to the Pacific they wouldn't really be able to set up faster routes anyway since they needed to transport their goods to Europe to sell them. The natives of the Alaskan interior are going to be closeted and have no need for sea access. In total, there are going to be about 1,000 "Europeans" present in the interior, none of whom permanently, and maybe 20,000 natives who don't need sea access anyway. Buying Alaska for the sea access would be the most spurious and needless waste of cash ever achieved.

 

[Glen]

?Wondering if this powder-keg may lead to a Independent Hungary??

Now that is an interesting question. What do you think the chances are?

 

[Glen]

The question you need to ask, of course, is what is in that interior? Or rather, whom? Aside from the natives, who don't count as they aren't going to be the ones with any lobbying power, there will be a handful of trappers and probably not any real permanent settlements at all. Where trappers have places to stay there they will likely stay with friendly natives, or they'll just be camping - but in this era the trapping trade will likely be dying down as a profitable business, causing declining numbers of trappers etc. But anyway, the simple issue here is: what is the motivation for seeking to buy Alaska for the sea access? The trappers follow routes towards the Hudson Bay anyway; if they went to the Pacific they wouldn't really be able to set up faster routes anyway since they needed to transport their goods to Europe to sell them. The natives of the Alaskan interior are going to be closeted and have no need for sea access. In total, there are going to be about 1,000 "Europeans" present in the interior, none of whom permanently, and maybe 20,000 natives who don't need sea access anyway. Buying Alaska for the sea access would be the most spurious and needless waste of cash ever achieved.

Reasonably good thoughts and analysis.

 

[sudfamsci]

Atlanta is a very modern cosmopolitan city in a rural state it is also a blue dot in a sea of red (politics for those unfamiliar) Little rock is to a lesser degree in the same boat. i am a fast reader so it was that much just 74 pages spell-check still is my friend it doesn't work if i spell it wrong and it is still a real word. as for my region's capitol (N.C.) if your thinking that New Bern is easily reach its not true the outer-banks inhibited most large warships can't get there be for dredging is developed or you'd need to know where the moving sand bars are in the sounds and off of the banks its not the graveyard of ships for nothing Wilmington is easier and Fayettetville can be accessed by the cape fear river. new Bern was the second oldest and largest city in north Carolina before the separation so was made the capitol. but if tradition is strong i want Durham to prosper and a Robert Scott Cole Appleton to be born. im Scottish, Irish, welsh, Scots-Irish, and disputed Northumbrian/Scottish.

 

[Glen]

The Empire of the Hapsburgs was a melange of peoples and politics, and the wave of liberation and nationalism that swept over the lands of the Austrian Emperor Ferdinand. The Italies were the first to rise up against the oppression of Metternich and his Emperor, but they were soon followed by the strong nationalist movement in Hungary. At the same time, Austrian liberals agitated in Vienna for greater rights as German nationalists argued for unification with the rest of the Germanies.

At first, the Emperor Ferdinand's loyal forces were able to squelch the Italian uprisings, but in Hungary they were less successful. Ferdinand sought to placate some of the less radical reformers by dismissing Metternich and his cronies and replacing with more moderate officials, but the government was simply wracked by short-lived government after government. The final straw was when France entered the Germanies against Prussia, causing Prussia to withdraw a previous offer of support to Austria. With France advancing, and the United Kingdom at best neutral and worst a poorly concealed supporter of the liberals, Austria had nowhere to turn but Russia.

 

[Glen]

Atlanta is a very modern cosmopolitan city in a rural state it is also a blue dot in a sea of red (politics for those unfamiliar) Little rock is to a lesser degree in the same boat.

Ah, noted. We shall see how the politics of this Dominion develops, though there usually is a split between town and country.

i am a fast reader so it was that much just 74 pages spell-check still is my friend it doesn't work if i spell it wrong and it is still a real word.

Noted, noted.

as for my region's capitol (N.C.) if your thinking that New Bern is easily reach its not true the outer-banks inhibited most large warships can't get there be for dredging is developed or you'd need to know where the moving sand bars are in the sounds and off of the banks its not the graveyard of ships for nothing Wilmington is easier and Fayettetville can be accessed by the cape fear river. new Bern was the second oldest and largest city in north Carolina before the separation so was made the capitol.

Ah, that is of some interest - might explain why New Bern held out for so long against the British in the Slaver Uprising. Good pilots can overcome much of the issue, though it is a point and perhaps in some future time we will see a movement away from New Bern - but that is uncertain.

but if tradition is strong i want Durham to prosper

Won't exist ITTL, at least not in any recognizable form - sorry!

and a Robert Scott Cole Appleton to be born. im Scottish, Irish, welsh, Scots-Irish, and disputed Northumbrian/Scottish.

And who would that be? Did you post it in the Your Name in the DSA thread?

 

[Glen]

Atlanta is a very modern cosmopolitan city in a rural state it is also a blue dot in a sea of red (politics for those unfamiliar) Little rock is to a lesser degree in the same boat. i am a fast reader so it was that much just 74 pages spell-check still is my friend it doesn't work if i spell it wrong and it is still a real word. as for my region's capitol (N.C.) if your thinking that New Bern is easily reach its not true the outer-banks inhibited most large warships can't get there be for dredging is developed or you'd need to know where the moving sand bars are in the sounds and off of the banks its not the graveyard of ships for nothing Wilmington is easier and Fayettetville can be accessed by the cape fear river. new Bern was the second oldest and largest city in north Carolina before the separation so was made the capitol. but if tradition is strong i want Durham to prosper and a Robert Scott Cole Appleton to be born. im Scottish, Irish, welsh, Scots-Irish, and disputed Northumbrian/Scottish.

The link - https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=176980

 

[Glen]

Tsar Constantine of Russia had started life with relatively liberal leanings, but these soon faded as shown in his brutal repression of Polish liberals in Poland before coming to be Tsar. As the troubles entering 1850 bubbled over, Tsar Constantine positioned himself as a champion of orthodoxy and conservatism. He stiffened the resolve of Prussia, even when they faced an expanding war now with France, and he answered the pleas of Austria with a virtual invasion of Hungary, forcing nationalist leader Lajos Kossuth to flee to the west. However, initially Russia could not extend itself too far, as uprisings in Poland, inspired by those in Germany and the Italian peninsula, also had to be dealt with.

 

[DuQuense]

?Wondering if this powder-keg may lead to a Independent Hungary??

Now that is an interesting question. What do you think the chances are?

IIRC in OTL it required the help of the Russians to put the Hungarian up rising down.
If butterflies prevent Russian Help, then a very good chance.

 

[Glen]

IIRC in OTL it required the help of the Russians to put the Hungarian up rising down.
If butterflies prevent Russian Help, then a very good chance.

Ah...did you see the most recent update?

 

[Glen]

The papal conclave of 1830 was summoned to choose the successor of Pope Leo XII. It would prove to be one of the longer and more contentious elections in the history of the church, but in the end the Austrian favorite, Cardinal Pacca, was chosen to ascend to the apostolic see (the fact that Austrian troops were massed on the border may have played some role in breaking the deadlock, it is rumored). He chose the name Pius VIII upon his selection as pope. While considered the candidate of the moderate faction in the conclave, he drifted towards the conservative camp during his reign.

Upon Pope Pius VIII's death in 1845, the conclave again had a difficult decision to make, but with the Austrian veto of liberal Mastai-Ferretti, it was the conservative, Cardinal Luigi Lambruschini who would become pontiff as Pope Leo XIII.

The regnal number of 13 proved unlucky for Pope Leo XIII, who was generally hated by liberals in Italy. When revolution broke out in Rome in 1850, he was caught trying to sneak out of the city as a stablehand, and was killed by an angry mob.

 

[DuQuense]

IIRC in OTL it required the help of the Russians to put the Hungarian up rising down.
If butterflies prevent Russian Help, then a very good chance.

Ah...did you see the most recent update?

Yes --? I wondered just how busy the Russians are in Poland & Italy?

 

[Glen]

Yes --? I wondered just how busy the Russians are in Poland & Italy?

Somewhat busy in Poland, but they haven't gotten to Italy - yet. They're too busy in Hungary.

 

[Glen]

Appalled at the death of the pope,other nations moved toward the Republic of Rome to restore order. While Charles Albert lost for a second time against the Austrian forces in the northeast, his resistance slowed the Austrian advance enough that it was the forces of the Kingdom of Naples, led by King Achille, that secured the Republic, and perhaps more importantly, the cardinals in the region. King Achille's troops were soon bolstered by a French army. When the Austrians tried to push farther, their already bloodied forces were defeated and repulsed.

With French and Neapolitan armies holding the former papal states, the papal enclave could begin, though with a bare minimum of cardinals, given the chaos of Europe. Despite the war, France guaranteed the safety of Austrian cardinals passing through French occupied territories, though only a few took up the offer in time.

The papal enclave decided that, surrounded by liberals, it was time to choose a pope who could talk their language and perhaps be the last chance to save the papal states absent an Austrian victory, and thus was Cardinal Mastai-Ferretti chosen to be the new pope, Pius VIII.

 

[Glen]

Oops, there's a post missing between these two! I'll get it thrown together.

 

[Glen]

The death of the pope and the flight of so many of the clergy and Vatican officials left a power vacuum in Rome that was filled by the resurrection of the Roman Republic. The city and the rest of the papal lands were in an uproar in the wake of the pope's ignoble end, and an older, wiser head was sought to lead the new government, Carlo Armellini. Armellini did a superb job reassuring the populus and restoring order under the banner of the Republic, but with forces from France, Sardinia, Austria, and Naples moving toward the former papal lands, it was questionable whether the nascent republic would last out the year.

 

[thekingsguard]

A new Roman Republic? Can't wait to see where it goes...

 

[Earl_of_Somerset]

A new Roman Republic? Can't wait to see where it goes...

There was one during the 1848 revolutions.... after revolutionary plans in Venitia and Lomardy failed, the rebels escaped and toppled the pope.

 

[Glen]

A new Roman Republic? Can't wait to see where it goes...

Time will tell....

 

[Glen]

The Cologne Convention first convened in 1849 as the break-away Rhineland called upon other liberals and nationalists to rally to the cause of a liberal, united German state. It promulgated a new constitution, and was well on the way to recruiting many of the smaller states of the Germanies into a new German nation when the Prussians backed by Russians swept through Northern Germany. The representatives of the convention fled to the city of Hanover for a brief time, raising tensions dramatically between the Prussian and British crown. The French entry into the war in 1850 saw the Prussian spearhead flung out of the Rhineland. The convention again returned to Cologne to be about its work, but many of the members would not forget the gracious protection and encouragement that Duke George, Viceroy of Hanover, granted them.

With the removal of the convention from Hanover, and of Prussian troops from the Hanover border, the Prussians withdrew their ultimatum for turning over the parliamentarians, but a rift had clearly been created between the British and the Prussians, with the neutrality Britain held onto being definitely a hostile one.

With Russian reinforcements to the Prussians, the French advance stalled in 1851, with Germany only half free at that point. However, the British took this opportunity to offer their own ultimatum to Prussian - and Russia! Essentially, Britain demanded the withdrawal of Prussian and Russian troops from all non-Prussian territory.