Glen
Moderator
The Pre-Dominion Timeline in Timelines and Scenarios has now been updated to encompass all the information posted here thus far (thanks, Tom Veil, the list of post numbers really helped!). While there are likely to still be a few posts to flesh out the pre-Dominion era, we will be moving into the Dominion Era (slowly, slowly, but surely).
Glen
Moderator
No, instead he became a leader of a Liberal Kingdom of France....but yeah, that would have been cool.
Glen
Moderator
You are welcome!
West Virginia? What an ASB concept...
Yes, and it does a brisk trade with the DSA on top of that.
Glen
Moderator
I tend to agree.
Yes and no. The benefits of liaisoning more closely between mainland and islands will occur to both sides, and the Brits in Parliament would prefer to deal with just a few voices rather than a cacophany of them. The Royal Navy will indeed be the law on the seas, but we'll see how they view their land neighbors over time.
Interesting thoughts...we will see how things develop.
Glad to hear my native Richmond gets to be a thriving border town!
If the DSA does include the Carribean, what are the odds that the people will end up looking like Brazilians by the 21st century? Odds are there will be at least some racial mixing.
Also, will the DSA's boder with Mexico change at all? Certain parts certainly could use minor adjustment.
If the DSA does include the Carribean, what are the odds that the people will end up looking like Brazilians by the 21st century? Odds are there will be at least some racial mixing.
Also, will the DSA's boder with Mexico change at all? Certain parts certainly could use minor adjustment.
Eurofed
Banned
Well, now that racial segregation has been forcefully ended, we can certainly see some racial mixing (or we might not: to my knowledge, even in modern USA, there has been relatively little spontaneous racial mixing) a la Brazil. It also depends on how much European immigration the DSA shall tend to attract after the creation of the Dominion. If the immigrants largely keep going to the USA, the DSA could evolve into a Brazilian direction. If they get some serious number of European immigrants, it would shore up the "whiteness" of the DSA (like it happened IOTL to Cuba and the Dominican Republic in comparison to Haiti and Jamaica). For that matter, the DSA could easily get a sizable number of Mexican immigrants in the future.
I definitely and strongly agree. Mexico is getting getting it far too good so far with not just one, but two great powers in the making on its borders.
Besides the creation of the Dominion, territorial acquisition from Mexico would be another relatively easy way for Britain to cement the loyalty of DSA.
Glen
Moderator
Well, a thriving city in a border state...
High of some more mixing compared to OTL. Of course, there always was. Just in this case, there will be more acknowledged racial mixing. However, don't expect the south to be a homogenous moca color by the 21st century.
What were you thinking needed adjustment?
As far as the border, nothing too serious. That straight line near the Arizone-New Mexico border and the Rio Grand River delta near Texas.
What are you talking about Eurofed?
a) Brazil recieved lots and lots of white europeans relative to its population.
b) At no point was the African:European in Brazil as skewed in the African direction as it was in the American south - Blacks make up less than 8% of modern Brazil!
c) The Brazilian culture of mixing was established right from start, when the portuguese colonists couldn't get enough european women to emmigrate.
Brazil is not a model you can apply to the DSA, especially if your also positing little immigration.
On the immigration front, the DSA has already recieved a big bunch according to the TL (that which went to Canada), and is likely to recive more thanks to the British funded travel (since in TL they are unlikely to leave the British territories for warmer climes, and there is easy famrland available out west).
Regarding taking land from Mexico, there is no need for such expansion as the next tier of mexican states is a) empty of known resources and b) full of mexicans. Plus without the slave plantation economy there is much less drive for rabid expansion. The British aren't going to sign off on a war of conquest with an important trade partner like mexico, particularly if there is a plan for a canal - its so much cheaper to get the white dominion on board in other ways. If people clamour for land London will just tell them to piss off to Australia or California and not make trouble with an important market - its not like the US, where Mexico was the only possible expansion vector.
IMO there will be strict seperation in the northern provinces (which will have a black belt and a white belt), whilst the urbanising gulf coast will see a much more mixed culture.
@thekingsguard: the OTL US border is not some holy artifact handed down from on high, a slightly divergent line works just as well.
Still waiting on Glen for city names, red lines are waterways (finished much earlier with a larger and richer South). You can see a railroad route (of the OTL southern pacific), heading further north is pretty much impossible due to the mountains. I'd think the Houston-Mobile gulf coast will become the workbench and import-export economic heart of the nation, and you'll see Caribbean blacks moving there whilst the upper farmlands stay white.
Glen
Moderator
No comments on the Founding Fathers of Federation Post? I am truly saddened. This sucker has involved weeks of research to come up with a quasi-plausible list.
Glen
Moderator
Fair points, though I thought he was more referring to the amount of mixing rather than the reasons for mixing.
More or less agree.
More or less agree here as well.
Ah, but you are forgetting the X-factor here - the mediating effects of the Civilized Tribes, who mix with both whites and blacks...though as a general point about degree of mixing, you're not wrong I suspect.
What Nugax said...
Glen
Moderator
Still waiting on Glen for city names, red lines are waterways (finished much earlier with a larger and richer South). You can see a railroad route (of the OTL southern pacific), heading further north is pretty much impossible due to the mountains. I'd think the Houston-Mobile gulf coast will become the workbench and import-export economic heart of the nation, and you'll see Caribbean blacks moving there whilst the upper farmlands stay white.
Your map is a thing of beauty!
Which cities are you looking for?
Dunno whichever ones have become important over the timeline .
IMO urban centres in the ATL that I need names would be:
-Houston
-Beumont
-Dallas/Arlington/Fort Worth
-Shreveport
-Little Rock
-A centre with no OTL analog near the top of the navigable Arkansas river
-Jackson
-Memphis
-A new city on the mississippi near the american border.
-Biloxi (would have the same root, but probably butchered from the original Bilocci in a different manner)
-Wherever the major Charleton Urban centre turns up
-Birmingham, Alabama
-Atlanta (on the border of Georgia and Indiana here)
-An analogless centre near the mouth of the Apalachicola-Chattahoochee system (since Tallahassee is butterflied away)
-Tampa
-Jacksonville
.IMO urban centres in the ATL that I need names would be:
-Houston
-Beumont
-Dallas/Arlington/Fort Worth
-Shreveport
-Little Rock
-A centre with no OTL analog near the top of the navigable Arkansas river
-Jackson
-Memphis
-A new city on the mississippi near the american border.
-Biloxi (would have the same root, but probably butchered from the original Bilocci in a different manner)
-Wherever the major Charleton Urban centre turns up
-Birmingham, Alabama
-Atlanta (on the border of Georgia and Indiana here)
-An analogless centre near the mouth of the Apalachicola-Chattahoochee system (since Tallahassee is butterflied away)
-Tampa
-Jacksonville
I din't mean to nitpick on the border, but like alot of AHer's I have an strange aversion to staight lines. As for Texas, I have always had the impression that the Rio Grande River made a good border. Thats just my opinion anyway.
And Glen, the list of the founders was VERY good. I certainly thought it was interesting to see the fates of several people in this TL... James K. Polk of Carleton still suprises me somewhat.
And Glen, the list of the founders was VERY good. I certainly thought it was interesting to see the fates of several people in this TL... James K. Polk of Carleton still suprises me somewhat.
People who dislike lines of latitude borders in deserts are fools, are you a fool thekingsguard?
The Rio Grande? Truely a formidable barrier! Its just a long line that works okay on a map, and its use as a border only dates back to Texan greed (it being a lince long line across the continent they could point at as a 'natural' border).