Nice update. Would you say the USA is more powerful at this point in time than OTL?
Well done to Poe. Surprised he wouldn't get a third term because of his federal initiatives.
Mac Gregor
Good question. Glen would have to say but I suspect the answer is yes. They had a larger population hit initially compared to OTL but since then things have gone better for them. No civil war, markedly faster social development and more land to settle and develop. Think TTL is a little ahead of OTL technologically.
Steve
Glen
Moderator
Yes it is. It has more infrastructure and more wealth compared to OTL. So does the DSA compared to its OTL equivalent regions. Interestingly this has not been the case for either region in the earlier part of the timeline. I will have to look at the numbers but I suspect that things started to flip by the 1820s, though of course there was a dip for the BSA in the 1840s 1850s, but by the 1860s on both the USA and DSA are stronger than thei OTL counterparts.
Glen
Moderator
The precedent of Washington is still strong in this USA. Poe would not sek a third term.
It was abolished with the ratification of the Constitution. What I can't remember is when slavery was abolished throughout the entire DSA.
It was abolished in the DSA when they lost the Slaver rebellion.
Glen
Moderator
Agreed.
On average, it is now a bit more advanced technologically, though there are some areas where they are a bit behind, but mostly ahead by this point. In many ways, what they are more ahead of us in is the adoption of new technologies and discoveries, rather than the discoveries themselves.
Glen
Moderator
The last US President of the 19th century was the Federalist Steven Ladd. A favorite son of Pennsylvania, he was a protege of outgoing President Poe. Steven Ladd was a handsome gentleman who was the first president to enter the White House unmarried (his first wife had died at a relatively young age). He was the most eligible man in Washington during his term in office. While relatively well thought of by those who knew him from both parties, he could not stop the tide of change that the turn of the century was bringing. People were growing tired after twelve years of Federalist domination of the Presidency (and the Congress for most that time), and Steven Ladd would lose the election to the Democrats.
President Ladd and some supporters at his rustic retreat in Pennsylvania:
President Ladd and some supporters at his rustic retreat in Pennsylvania:
Glen
Moderator
Actually, I seem to recall that the law and the writing of the constitution happened to coincide, but I don't believe it is actually written into the constitution. I will double check.
Glen
Moderator
Well, formally when the British Empire banned it in the 1830s, but in reality yes, with the defeat of the Slavers.
Glen
Moderator
Presidents of the United States of America to 1900
**Some Historians dispute whether Lynch should be counted as a President, and instead classify him as 'Acting President', but most history texts count him as the 12th President of the United States, even if never elected to the office.
- George Washington - No Party Affiliation - 1789-1797
- John Adams - Federalist - 1797-1805
- Thomas Jefferson - Democratic-Republican - 1805-1813
- James Madison - Federalist - 1813-1821
- John Quincey Adams - Federalist - 1821-1829
- John Andrew Schulze - Democratic-Republican - 1829-1837
- Peter Buell Porter - Federalist - 1837-1841
- Pierre Nicolas de Condorcet - Democrat* - 1841-1849
- Benjamin Hull Kays - Federalist - 1849-1857
- Nicholas Samuel Roosevelt - Federalist - 1857-1865
- Anthony Wayne Tullis - Democrat - 1865-1868 (Assassinated)
- Barabas Lynch - Democrat - 1868-1869 (Tullis' Vice-President**)
- Horace Napoleon Miller - Democrat - 1869-1873
- John Bertrand - Federalist - 1873-1881
- James Blunt - Federalist - 1881-1885
- Erastus R. Bingham - Democrat - 1885-1889
- Alexander Poe - Federalist - 1889-1897
- Steven Ladd - Democrat - 1897-1901
**Some Historians dispute whether Lynch should be counted as a President, and instead classify him as 'Acting President', but most history texts count him as the 12th President of the United States, even if never elected to the office.
Glen
Moderator
Now that I have rounded out the list of Presidents of the United States for the 19th century, I want to hold a poll to see who was the greatest 19th century President (I am declaring Washington greatest 18th Century President by default). Since Adams second term was in the 19th century, he is eligible.
First we need nominations for who is the DSA World's best US President. Once we have our candidates, I will create the poll.
First we need nominations for who is the DSA World's best US President. Once we have our candidates, I will create the poll.
Wow! a *lot* fewer presidents in TTL. In OTL, we got to number 18 in 1869 (Grant). Only one assassination, and nobody dying in office of illness.
And about half of presidents has served two terms and there is very stabil party system. In OTL lasted many decades before current party system of US had formed.