The New England states and Delaware REALLY look tiny compared to most of those western states. Hmmmm.... A population cartogram of the. USA (and DSA) would be awesome.
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I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.
This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it.
)I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.
This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it.
It seems the state in the OTL Alaska panhandle is now named Tlingit.
Glen
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So what exactly are the borders of the new state of Alaska? I'm looking at this map, the last world map to have subdivisions, and, well
There are two territories in OTL Alaska. I'm confused.
I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.
This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it.
It seems the state in the OTL Alaska panhandle is now named Tlingit.
Sorry for the confusion, everyone - I zoned a bit on posting that state update. That state containing the OTL Alaska panhandle would never be named Alaska for the simple reason that ITTL the Russians never were able to penetrate that far, and thus there would have been no association with that name. Alaska will eventually be a state that has is basically a peninsula cut off at the 140th meridian.
No problem.
Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.
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Darn, I was hoping we'd get more states out of the Prarie. We're so close to 50 here after all!
Without the panhandle, it may be a long time before Alaska gets the population to become a state...
Glen
Moderator
No problem.
Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD. Aside from
That is true.
No problem.
Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.
I dunno, Niobara/*Nebraska and Washington/*Kansas are pretty close. Who would have thought those two would slip into this world relatively intact?
Ohio, Wabash/Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri are all also very close.No problem.
Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.
Glen
Moderator
The territories that would become the 44th state of the union, Kisskachewan, had long been a reserve for the tribes who had inhabited them for centuries as well as die-hard tribesmen who were brought up from the southern United States.
However, the Northern Great Plains were perhaps always destined for a different history.
The story of how Kisskachewan would become a state starts in some ways with the well meaning missionary groups, the most prominent being the Catholics and the various Deist denominations. Among the good works these missionaries provided to the tribes in situ and those migrating from the south was vaccination against the scourge of smallpox. Even among the die-hards of the southern tribes, there were varying levels of resistance of "white mans' ways" with the more moderate among them (often family who felt obligated to travel with their more extremist loved ones) accepting the medical assistance of the missionaries.
While the Legion of America, charged with escorting the recalcitrant tribesmen north, had early on required vaccination of the Legionnaires, smallpox still managed to find its way amongst the tribes of the north, disproportionately decimating die-hard natives while leaving the inoculated relatively unscathed. There was also attrition from internecine warfare between rival bands of lodges.
Even though they did not join the initial wave of transports, many native relatives of tribesmembers in the north who had assimilated voluntarily with American society, either still in the lands of their birth or in Gitchigumee and later Winnipeg, would around the turn of the century begin to join their relatives on the Great Northern Plains, bringing more conventional ranching and farming with them. As relatives they were not barred from going into the native territories. They brought with them affluence and more connections to the United States. Many were Francophones or Bilinguals (or even Trilinguals for those who retained the tongue of their ancestors). It was these Metis who often would lobby Congress to allow more liberal entry into territories.
All this paved the way for the development of pro-American factions in the Territories who would succeed in bringing Kisskachewan into the Union.
However, the Northern Great Plains were perhaps always destined for a different history.
The story of how Kisskachewan would become a state starts in some ways with the well meaning missionary groups, the most prominent being the Catholics and the various Deist denominations. Among the good works these missionaries provided to the tribes in situ and those migrating from the south was vaccination against the scourge of smallpox. Even among the die-hards of the southern tribes, there were varying levels of resistance of "white mans' ways" with the more moderate among them (often family who felt obligated to travel with their more extremist loved ones) accepting the medical assistance of the missionaries.
While the Legion of America, charged with escorting the recalcitrant tribesmen north, had early on required vaccination of the Legionnaires, smallpox still managed to find its way amongst the tribes of the north, disproportionately decimating die-hard natives while leaving the inoculated relatively unscathed. There was also attrition from internecine warfare between rival bands of lodges.
Even though they did not join the initial wave of transports, many native relatives of tribesmembers in the north who had assimilated voluntarily with American society, either still in the lands of their birth or in Gitchigumee and later Winnipeg, would around the turn of the century begin to join their relatives on the Great Northern Plains, bringing more conventional ranching and farming with them. As relatives they were not barred from going into the native territories. They brought with them affluence and more connections to the United States. Many were Francophones or Bilinguals (or even Trilinguals for those who retained the tongue of their ancestors). It was these Metis who often would lobby Congress to allow more liberal entry into territories.
All this paved the way for the development of pro-American factions in the Territories who would succeed in bringing Kisskachewan into the Union.