Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Glen, Feb 22, 2010.
Demn it! I will have to figure that one out...
Just call it a quirk of fate. That just happens to be the most awesomest quirk of fate ever. (For me).
Again. Maybe you got promoted, or you quit being a spy and became a naval officer, before being asked to return to spy-duty.....
Sorry, Falastur - I switched out Admiral Barnett for Admiral Rossall - you will simply have to settle for being the greatest spy in history.
The year 1891 saw several developments that broke the deadlock of the Year of Blood in favor of the Western Powers. The Korsgaardist nations had driven through the economic turmoil of the 1880s on sheer will, and made audacious gambles in their launching of the Global War, but in the end came up short. By 1891 there stockpiles of many essential war materials were running out. The artificial propping of their economies was beginning to show in the harsh light of wartime needs, with rationing widespread. The initial black eyes dealt to the legendary Royal Navy had been a bright spot for the Eastern Powers and their Allies, but the reforms of the Barnett and Bryan began to pay dividends. Added to this mix was the introduction of a joint Franco-German invention to the field of battle, the Armored Steam Tractor (AST), nicknamed 'The Iron Rhino'. The ASTs combined the new mobile tracks of the most innovative farm machinery of the era with the previous decades improvements in steel to form a self propelled vehicle that could crawl through the dead zone between the lines and escort troops into the enemies' lines. The ASTs were overly heavy, prone to breakdowns, and never made in enough numbers for the demands of the European front lines, but their impact on already wavering Eastern morale was devastating.
I can't complain.
That thing is massive!
It's not to scale - I got lazy and didn't change the little guy standing next to it.
So. Tanks in the 1890s.....didn't see that coming.
And besides that. That thing is massive. Are you planning on building a Bolo or something?
I won't hide that I was hoping for something more like this, but the farting, clanking monsters have finally made it to the field, and that's worth something.
(it's still an extremely ugly tank, though. With some design flaws that destroy my suspension of disbelief...)
Yes - if you think about it, most of the technology necessary for an armored tracked vehicle carrying a main gun is in place. It will be heavier than even the heaviest tanks of the OTL World War I.
I gotta change the picture...
Oh, I just love Bolos....
Changed out the Tanks.
Steam tanks... Very cool but also highly impractical. If those things break as often as most preserved steam engines do, then I reckon they'll only remain valid weapons of war until someone develops a weapon capable of knocking them out.
Still, looks like things are finally looking up for the West. And at a much lower cost than in OTL World War I
That new pic is of one gawdawful ugly monstrosity that probably goes 0-2mph... eventually. But if I were some Russian dirt-farmer conscripted into the army that just managed to survive the Year of Blood, seeing that mechanical monster charging right at me impervious to my rifle, I would be rather... discomfitted.
I'm assuming that tanks have been introduced for the same reason as OTL, which is to defeat trench warfare by motoring over the top then racking up the kills by mschine-gunning down the lengths of the trenches into all those lovely undefended bodies lined up against the trench wall who are supposed to be concentrating on shooting the supporting infantry.
That said, has Glen actually mentioned trench warfare as being rife yet? It seemed to be advancements on every front last thing I recall.
Nice, but I don't think the tech would be up for this.
Glad you think so....
Definitely not, but a man can dream. And it can be snuck back in later down the timeline.
Current picture is vastly better, thanks for humoring me.
(if you need to get your Bolo on...)
Steam is a pretty well developed technology by this point in the timeline - breakdowns of the engine won't be the big problem.
Wouldn't this be true of anything?
I think your overestimating how reliable a steam engine can actually be. If the AST has an engine anything like that of the steam engines on many preserved railways, it'll suffer a lot of breakages even without enemy fire. Of course it'll be easy to repair them (dedicated facilities, specialists etc...) but it will still be a major hinderance on their abilities.
What I meant was that they'll last until real tanks come along (ADTs? or will they just still be Asts?) but past that point their useability will be low to say the least.
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