Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 1, 2018

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  1. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    New Granada had a tradition of more centralized government than many of the other Spanish successor states in the New World, and thus was not immune to the allure of Korsgaardism. When General Ricardo Rincon was elected President of New Granada (with strong backing of the military making his selection more a coup than an election), he brought the nation even further under control along Korsgaardist principles. Plotting with other Korsgaarist regimes both regionally and globally, Rincon launched on Christmas Day 1889 his invasion of the United Provinces of South America, claiming long disputed border regions (claims stretching back all the way to their Spanish colonial past). However, for the Korsgaardist alliance the goal was also to claim the rich saltpeter fields of the Atacama desert, which were so very useful in the manufacture of gunpowder, especially the smokeless variety.

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  2. Cylon_Number_14 Nothing Unreal Exists

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    Oh Snap this war has just touched yet another continent. Mexico vs the DSA brought the war to North America and now New Grenada vs UPSA brings the war to South America. This alt-WW1 puts OTL to absolute shame!
     
  3. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Well, they are not being fully rational on that count. And quite frankly, given some of the war aims/objectives seen in OTL's World War I and World War II, I think they are in proportion. That's just me, of course....:)
     
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    Kosgaardianism actually seems more like Stalinism than Fascism to me, ironic, seeing as it's propagated by the upper classes. It seems to be pretty much total devotion to the state. I also agree that the two major parties in the United States are gonna see the wave of Kossgardian governments, even in republics, and try top stamp out the Kossgardians in the US. Maybe one effect of the Global War is an analogue to OTL's First Red Scare?
     
  5. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Glad you are happy.

    In other words, like OTL?

    A very good question....
     
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    I fear that Granada jumping on the bandwagon here is finally answering the question whether Korsgaardianism is a fascist-style philosophical alliance of right-wing thought or simply a shift to right-wing political thought.
     
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    Hmmm super secret technology beats superior numbers (unlike the normal outcome of such things), and Mexico mounts a naval threat despite being entirely reliant on external British-controlled resources for fuel - :/
     
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    Well, not super secret, but technological superiority acts as a force multiplier, giving a fighting chance when otherwise there would be none.

    Also, you are confusing this time period with the one about to dawn. At this time, the world is still being fueled by coal - and Mexico has coal, at least enough for the war effort.

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  9. Nugax talks in diagrams

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    Heheh - I wouldn't use a map of accessible modern deposits, that doesn't even differentiate between coal types or density of resource, to indicate 19th cen availability.

    Mexican Coal is shitty ashy stuff you can barely use in a power plant, and certainly not an early steam ship. It was also only found in 1884 OTL, isn't in an easy to get to part of the country (the Oaxaca deposit is godawful), took a while to get going, and never amounted to more than 1/600th of US production until well into the 20th century.
     
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    Do you have better online reference?
     
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    I Googled ""Mexican coal" quality" and found this.

    Apparently there's at least one bed of usable coal (50,000,000 tons, according to the estimate). IOTL it was discovered in 1899 by an American geologist, but theoretically a Korsgaardist Mexico might have invested a little more into exploring for resources and discovered it a few years earlier.
     
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    Earlier discovery is very plausible, even before the Korsgaardian takeover, as this Mexico is more developed and more explored than the same Mexico IOTL.
     
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    This is a relative of OTL Poe not the poet. Still cool though!
     
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    Yep.

    Yep.

    Less than thrilled, I imagine, but at this point in time there is some pretty tight censorship in Prupol so they don't know that is a war aim of the Kaiser.

    Possible, of course, but that would be such a large extension for the Eastern Powers and of land that they really don't have a particular claim upon.

    Yeo.

    Scandinavia is loosely in the alliance, and yes, the Eastern plan to carve it up stiffens their resolve and has them join the alliance fully and declare war. The Eastern powers do have overseas colonies, and it is likely that they won't hold, but could be regained at the peace table if the Easterners win big (or so they think).

    Eastern Powers are a bit more developed than one might also think, but then again, so is the West.
     
  15. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Yes, liberalism does - mostly ITTL it has a meaning of Classical Liberalism.
     
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    It certainly does early on - but time will tell what comes of it.

    And the other effect is that in the early war the 'good guys' are all using lever actions and look like cowboys from OTL.:cool:
     
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    Yes, though the Eastern Powers have built up a bit more than OTL.

    Maybe, maybe....

    Some tech advantage.

    An interesting thought.
     
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    The Global War saw many fascinating innovations, but perhaps one of the most impressive was the development of airpower starting in 1890. While for many decades the French had led in the development of first ballooning, and then the use of powered balloons. However, it was in British hands that the airship reached its pinacle. Using a rigid airframe and mountiing the finest steam engines available, the first class of combat balloon, the Orcas, set the standard for the war. Also known as Air Whales, the Orcas were used for long range reconnaisance and bombing on occasion (more of a propoganda weapon than anything else).

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    Airships! Will there be a Roosevelt riding one?
     
  20. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    God there should be!