Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Glen, Feb 22, 2010.
Or the border of Washington ITTL.
Both funny and sad, that.
You both are saying that the borders of TTL's Washington are acceptable, yes?
It's been a long time coming, but it lives again, and it's as good as ever Glen!
<weeps tears of joy>
For what it's worth, I think it's acceptable. I'm just curious to see what you're planning to do with the other Territories. There are many ways to carve up the region based on rivers and the Rocky Mountains.
Thanks, kingsguard, thanks.
Indeed - how do you think they should be carved up?
Correct. It's the territory to the West of it about which I am concerned.
The history of South Africa in the 19th century was often one of conflict. The British crown assumed control of the former Dutch colony at the beginning of the century, much to the chagrin of the white Dutch settlers, often called Trekboers. Attempts to bring in British settlers (in many ways to act as buffers between African tribes and Trekboer settlers) had decidedly mixed results. Trekboer attempts to move north and east beyond British control seemed to succeed for a brief span, but the British would subsequently reassert their control.
The greatest stress on South Africa was the ending of slavery throughout the British Empire in the 1830s. When British Southern America erupted in rebellion and civil war, the Trekboers took advantage to once again move beyond nominal British control. However, the Zulus also took advantage of British distraction in British Southern America (as well as the region around Sierra Leon) to initiate a war to drive the Trekboers out of what the Zulus considered their territory. A bloody war of strike and counterstrike developed through the rest of the late 1830s and into the 1840s. By the time the Southern Civil War subsided, the Zulus had gained the upper hand, driving Trekboers back into British South Africa.
And then the Zulu made the mistake of following into British South Africa....
While there were few white units that could be spared, the newly victorious Sable Legion could. Backed up by several regiments of Sepoys from India, the Sable Legion brought modern war to the Zulus, much to their regret. Only the superior numbers of the Zulu kept them from being destroyed entirely. While the Zulu in turn inflicted more casualties on the Sable Legion than any other force to date, it was not enough to save them from defeat.
The Trekboers (or Trekkers as the name was shortened to over time) would remain a small remnant in the greater British colony. While many of the Sable Legion and Sepoy troops returned to other parts of the empire, a few units remained to defend the British peace.
I'm glad that you updated us on the fate of South Africa in this timeline thus far.
Yes, well, territories are a bit of a work in progress, eh? What do you think will happen come statehood is really the question, isn't it?
And I am glad that you are glad.
Well, the Colorado River would make for an interesting western border, but then what does one do with the rest of the territory?
My pleasure! I'm feeling rather spoiled with the sudden uptick in updates! I'm not complaining though
That's going to make for interesting interactions in S Africa with the Sable Legion being a prominent part of the defensive force. I hope the authorities remember to treat them properly and stamp down on any abuse from white settlers, else the Legion could well start questioning their loyalty.
Would be good if we saw a far less racist S Africa, or at least in the British colonies. That could well peculate through to other areas.
It sounds like the Boers suffered really badly in their clashes with the Zulus and will not be a major factor in the future of the area. If so and the British make terms with what's left of the Zulus, protecting their territory in return for peace could it delay the discovery of the gold and diamonds of the region?
On which side?
Yep, enjoy, enjoy!
Interesting points - the British settlers see them as a useful defense, and in fact they are beginning to get something of a reputation akin to the OTL Gurkhas, so I don't know that abuse per se will be an issue. The Boers are in no position to push a more racist agenda at this point in time, and in fact will be fortunate if they avoid assimilation entirely.
Possibly, possibly - or others might use it to distinguish themselves from the British (coddlers!).
That's about right, though the body count of Zulus was horrific.
Between the fighting with the Boers, and the fighting with the Sables and the Sepoys, the Zulus are not in particularly good shape, either, so now that land is fairly open for expansion.
I am assuming that the areas east of the Colorado River would achieve statehood first.
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