Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 1, 2018

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Glen, Feb 22, 2010.

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  1. DuQuense Commisioned Officer CSN

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    I am wondering about Nascar, and about the Baja 500 [winning speed 46.5 mph- 9hr 46 min]


    ?Also with different France did whe still get the Metric system?
     
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    It would appear to be a French copy of one of Cook's first maps
     
  3. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    You are basically correct - President Condorcet is only nominally Catholic, however.

    Unless Schulze spoke something else, then yes, he would have been the firt, as his first language was French, though he does speak fluent English as well.
     
  4. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Thanks - in this USA a Francophone President is not that big a deal, and in any case this one is indeed fully bilingual (call it a half-Van Buren).

    Oh, no more than what there was between OTL Canadians, maybe a little less in fact.
     
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    Hmmm....well....NASCAR developed out of bootlegging which developed out of dry counties and prohibition which developed out of (in the South) Baptist morals.

    ITTL, Baptists aren't that big in the South, therefore prohibition or eve dry counties are unlikely, so bootlegging is not likely to be a big business, so stock car racing (NASCAR) is in serious doubt....

    Revolutionary France ITTL did develop a metric system. Whether it will continue to grow over time remains to be seen.
     
  6. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    DEISMUS
    After the Liberal War and the formation of the Empire of Germany, there was a surge in liberalization throughout Germany. While the Kingdom of Hanover still had as its official religion Lutheranism, with King George as its head, the Empire of Germany of which George was Kaiser had no official religion, and in fact could not have without tearing the multidenominational state apart. While this was mostly to avoid conflicts between Lutherans and Catholics in Germany, the real impact of the new tolerance was to give room for expression of previously dormant or repressed faiths. Judaism was able to come out of the ghetto, for example. Deism, which had had a strong showing amongst the German intelligentsia in the 18th century, showed a resurgence, looking to France and even America as role models.
     
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    This one I probably should expand a bit, see if I can come up with a link or two, at least a picture. However, the links will be getting rarer and rarer now that we are getting so far away from OTL.
     
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    Well, all I came up with was a big header in German for Deism. Oh well, too tired - more tomorrow hopefully.
     
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    A liberal Germany will certainly leave its mark.
     
  10. General_Finley Liberty Prime

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    interesting update Glen, a liberal Germany shall change things greatly.

    I like that you added the big red letters .
     
  11. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Thank you both.
     
  12. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby! Donor

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    I cant say this too much, your timeline is a brilliant one that depicts a large difference to OTL with a small change.
     
  13. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Thank you, DrTron.
     
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    The last of the states straddling the Mississippi River to join the Union was the state of Minnesota, named after the river that comprised much of its southern border with the neighboring state of Mississippi. The naming of the state itself, while traditional in the region (naming after major lakes or rivers) was by no means certain, and many went back and forth before deciding on acquiescing on Minnesota. One of the major objections was the near proximity of so many states starting with the letter 'M' - Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, and now Minnesota. However, other possible names like Red River or St Croix (even one movement to rename Mississippi as South Mississippi and then make Minnesota North Mississippi) failed to gain traction.

    The state's southern border is the north border of Mississippi, comprised of the Minnesota and Mississippi Rivers. Where the St Croix River meets the Mississippi, a line heading due north to the westernmost tip of Lake Superior, and then following the lake to where the riverine system, including Rainy Lake and Rainy River, leading to the Lake of the Woods comprises the eastern boundary of the state. From where the 49th parallel meets the Lake of the Woods, heading due west until the 49th strikes the Red River of the North, runs the northern border of the state, and then southward upstream along the Red River of the North and then the Bois de Sioux River the border courses until the Red River comes nearest Lake Minnesota, and the shortest line to contect the two rivers completes the border.

    It should also be noted that there was some talk early on of annexing the Lake Winnepeg region to the state, but the distance between the Minnesotan population which hugged the Mississippi and Minnesota River border in the south and the hardy Metis trappers and their families who claimed the Lake Winnepeg region made this an unlikely pairing.

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  15. Arachnid Arachnid once more.

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    That seems a sensible way of dividing the Old North-West into states though I agree with those moaning about having too many states beginning with M.
     
  16. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Thank you - and yeah, I think it is going to be a while before we see another state starting with 'M'.
     
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    With the admission of Minnesota as the 27th state of the United States of America, the flag of the United States looked thus.

    USA in DSA 1855.gif
     
  18. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby! Donor

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    Could you provide a list of the states so far in order of admission?
     
  19. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Not at the moment - they are in order (roughly) as presented in the Finished Timelines and Scenarios version of the Dominion of Southern America. Now, if some eager beaver wants to pull a rough draft list together off of that, I can probably polish it to a timeline compliant format.;)
     
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    While the glib President Condorcet had been able to easily win reelection in 1848, the open election of 1852 saw the Democrats lose the presidency once more to the Federalists when Benjamin Hull Kays was elected to the office. The road to the presidency may have started as far back as two generations earlier, with President Kays' grandfather, John Kays. A Scotsman who had come as a child to America, John Kays joined the American Revolution and was notable for being an aide and bodyguard to then General Washington. John Kays eventually retired from the Continental Army and became a prominant farmer in Northern New Jersey. This may have been the end of the association of the Kays and George Washington if it weren't for the selection of the site of Kingston, New York for the new capital district for the United States. George Washington invited several of his old army veterans to visit the new District of Columbia, among them John Kays and his family. The Kays children would be frequent visitors to the capital city, and his son David became a prominant supporter of the Federalists, which he passed on to his son, Benjamin, culminating in his elevation to the highest office in the land.

    Grave marker of President Kays' grandfather and bodyguard to General Washington, John Kays.
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