Now here is a very clear minded, unrascist, loving, tolerant fellow.
That is exactly what a good Chritsian should do right? Nuke a country?
Domestic policy in a Cold War against Nazis
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Now here is a very clear minded, unrascist, loving, tolerant fellow.
That is exactly what a good Chritsian should do right? Nuke a country?
One fair question, though, would be "who will build the aircraft carriers?" Unless I seriously misunderstand, I've been under the impression that while the Royal Navy maintained ports for supply/repair across the world, the ship-building yards were kept in Britain, not least as jobs for regular British citizens. So where would there be shipyards capable of building aircraft carriers and warships, rather than just merchant ships?
Other than the US, I mean.
Certainly a fair question!
Halifax, Montreal and Vancouver all have long shipbuilding traditions, even at that point. Oh sure, there might have to be some new facilities built initially, but with the cheap manpower of India, the endless resources of the empire and complete sea dominance globally, the loss of the shipbuilding facilities in the UK would be easily replaced. In fact, if invasion looked imminent, you might see British yard workers relocated to Canada to retain the construction knowledge base.
I doubt it would be as easy as that. For one reason, "the cheap manpower of India" isn't likely to be moved to Australia or Canada anytime soon. It might be economical even with movement difficulties, but can you see Canadian or Australian dock workers taking major paycuts to remain competitive with foreign labor, all for the sake of the British (not Canadian, not Australian) empire?
For another, the US might set its foot down. No need to let there be a peer competitor fleet after the war, after all, if the US Navy can handle the job. Let British build destoryers and transports and utility craft; it'll be the Americans who have the aircraft carriers...
Also, who's going to pay for them? The Treasury in Britain? Canada? Australia?
And finally, buiding carriers isn't just a matter of "some new facilities", or else more people would have done it even before the US started using super-carriers. It's a humongous cost, as well as very time consuming for quality ships. Blithly saying that the empire will build carriers is misleading.
Who said it would be easy? The entire idea of war isn't easy.
Why move it? Build a factory in India to make Mk1 widgets for installation on the new "Liberator" class aircraft carriers built in the fine shipyards around the empire and you're benefiting from the cheap labour.
Movement difficulties? The RN owns the waves. Any nation that attempts to interfere with British shipping will be pounded to dust in short order. Remember, they don't have the difficulty of holding defence of the UK nor keeping the shipping lanes across the Atlantic open. The only navy that can threaten them vaguely is the KM and even then, only in the North Atlantic.
Or what? The US will hold it's breath? The Empire doesn't need Lend-Lease to hold an island in the North Atlantic anymore, so they have nothing to lean with there. The US isn't going to fight a war with the Empire to prevent them from building more ships.
The simple fact is that the Dominions would have no problem ponying up cash for that kind of fleet. The simple fact is that both Australia and Canada easily had the resources for large military commitments, but simply did not generate the political will to "fight to the last dollar".
Look at how they handled post war debt right after both wars: Britain had their debts forgiven. As well, the propaganda of Mother England being occupied would give the Dominions the political will required.
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think we all know who was responsible for that, the Godless liberals who cannot stand having their immorality shoved back in their ugly face!! The defenders of free thought, the Big Bang theory and evolution, are not only striking out at me, but at all Christians. . Last night, while I was sitting on my front-porch swing, gazing up at Heaven, President Bush appeared to me in a vision. He told me that my work was not yet finished, there were still many liberals who had not yet seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!! President Bush would not be in the White House right now if God didn't want him there. President Bush was put in a position of leadership in order to wipe the devil's religion of Islam off the face of the Earth, so that the Christian God can fill the world with His message of peace and love. President Bush has stated numerous times that he speakes with God in the Oval Office, he even asked God for military advice before the invasion of Iraq. Modern liberalism is the equivalent of atheism, liberals are in favor of killing babies, raising taxes, teaching evolution, and same sex marriage. Jesus is opposed to all of these horrible things.
Wow, that's amazing...
You know that sockpuppeting to escape bannishment is not a good idea, and you'll be banned again soon.
Otherwise, get over your distorted cliche of liberals, and of George W. Bush as well.
Ooh, and Jesus being against evolution? I'm not sure he would be had he read modern scientific papers in his lifetime...
You know that sockpuppeting to escape bannishment is not a good idea, and you'll be banned again soon.
Otherwise, get over your distorted cliche of liberals, and of George W. Bush as well.
Ooh, and Jesus being against evolution? I'm not sure he would be had he read modern scientific papers in his lifetime...
So tell me, "true believer"! When will you depart to your deserved place in Hell?
Hey, don't worry dude! You're not going to be alone there. Your fellow Wahabistic brothers from every kinds of faiths shall be with you happily ever after.
Wow...Reading this makes my brain hurt. Has Someone Reported this yet?
The point was that you're giving the impression that losing Britain, a world financial and industrial center, would be a net gain for the war effort because "The Uber Empire", which was already well on its way to breaking apart from India to Africa, would be willing to follow the absolute direction of what in effect is a government in exile after years of NOT doing that, as the recall of Australian troops to defend Australia from the Japanese threat showed. Quite frankly, you make it sound ridiculous.
Because, as any industrialist will tell you, consolidation is the key to efficiency. Building fleet infrastructure is a major, time consuming task that takes months to years, not weeks, and will be nowhere near what was lost in Britain. And it still doesn't change the fact that what you're envisioning would face numerous examples of domesticate opposition across the dominions. Widgets built in India are widgets that workers in Ottowa won't be making, or will be making for lower wages.
I'm also dubious about the carriers of yours as well. Britain didn't build them for the Pacific when the economics and massive industrial base of Britain, so why/how are they going to build them now? You might get a few baby flat-tops, the kind that are obsolete as soon as they're finished, but there isn't exactly much of a navy for them to be used against, and the US will almost assuredly do the heavy lifting when it comes to the invasion of Britain.
I'm sure the American and Japanese navies would beg to differ.
What? You said the RN owns the waves, and didn't give any qualifiers. This isn't exactly pre-WW1, after all.
There's also the problem of commerce raiding by a German navy that won't be bottled up in, well, Germany. Germany doesn't have to destroy shipping now, it just has to keep the invasion fleet away. That's a different situation.
No, but the Imperious Uberous does need guns, jeeps, food, bullets, guns, liberty ships, men, and warships if it wants to do the minor act of taking back Britain, all of which will be quicker AND faster (and no worse quality) to come from the US than to take the wallet-busting factors of building it themselves. And if there's one trait about the US that's been continuous across the ages, it's that it plays the "my balls, my rules" game.
Seriously. Work this out. To get across the Channel to France, with all the benefits of absolute naval and air superiority, an unsinkable aircraft carrier, a gathering and relief area, and a bit more, the US supplied most of the equipment, men, and even then there were places where Overlord could have become a blood bath, just from the weather. Retaking the British isles from across the north ATLANTIC, one of nastier seas in the world, is going to be much much harder, bordering on ASB. Were Britain to fall, liberation would almost certainly come from the direction of the continent, not North America.
I call bull. The British empire was nearly bankrupted by the cash-and-carry policies of the pre-lend lease, and there is way you can convince me without supplying concrete facts, data, or interviews, that LOSING a world financial and industrial center of the world is going to increase revenue flow?
Australia was already moving towards the US, which was/is better suited to protecting it from threats north in Asia. Canada is already inside Fortress America, as are various Caribbean Islands. South Africa is very far from Germany, and Operation Torch showed that an African base would be much farther north. India was in it for independence, not for love of god and king and country
This might be a better example if the effects on Britain weren't much more famous. Crippling British and French debts to the US after WW1, which both suspended payments of due to the economic burden. Even more economic damage after WW2.
And I also have heavy skepticism for the value of such propaganda. 9-11 motivated people to "Buy America" despite it being cheaper for about... 6 months. And this won't just be buying more expensive toys; building redundant empire-wide infrastructure when the US already has more and cheaper available is going to cost out the walzoo.
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Please, shut up. You look slightly erm... 'special' when you leave out the 'yo' in 'you' (it's an extra two letters, but it makes sure people don't mistake you for a twelve year old), and don't capitalize a nationality. Learn to use the language correctly, then criticize the people who speak it.
Until they run out of UK-made spare parts ... there are lots of different systems to maintain in the RN, many of them proprietary. Re-tooling US factories to support obsolescent British warships would reduce the output of modern weapons.
The impact of resistance fighters in Western Europe tends to be overestimated. France was used as a rest and resupply area, pacified by about 3000 soldiers of the Feldgendarmerie.
The population of the Channel Islands was quite co-operative. I do not see a large probability of a major revolt, likely a ´soft´ occupation a la France.
In case of a major uprising, there would be terrible suffering - but mainly among the civilians. Remember that we are talking about the Nazis, and look e.g. at the Belorussian results.