Dog Days: A Crusader Timeline

Raymann

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I don't think Rome would allow for there to be another Patriarch. The Great Schism had already occurred and the Pope would probably only appoint another bishop.

The Latin countries and Byzantium might also want to finish off the Seljuk Turks. It would shorten up their defenses considerably. And with greater cooperation, we might eventually see and East-West reconciliation (especially if one of the kingdoms supports one side in one of the Empire's many civil wars that we know are coming).

BTW: the Crusaders are also in pretty good shape when it comes to population. At this time, a good minority (at least 20%) of large cities like Damascus are Christian, mostly Church of the East. The Crusaders did work well with them OTL so I'd imagine the same goes here.
 
Sigh!!

Raymann, the Pope would have nothing to do with it. Jerusalem is one of the Patriarchates; originally three - Rome, Antioch,Alexandria in no particular pecking order. Jerusalem was raised to the Patriarchate thanks to some politicking by 4th Century bishops (the place of Our Lord's death can't be subordinate to somewhere else!).
Later on, Constantinople was raised for politial reasons (the home of the Emperor, the New Rome, cannot be outranked by subordinates like Antioch or Alexandria!).
Every ordinary(prelate) of every Rite in Jerusalem, Latin, Eastern, Orthodox, is referred to as the Patriarch. It goes with the job.
(Also, for some reason, the Ordinary of Venice is called "the Patriarch of Venice", not the bishop. Why, I have never been able to discover - except maybe politics again.)
 

Onyx

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Errr. Thank you for the advice/help/debate guys?

Comments and Criticism is pleae and welcome, if anyone is actually going to post any......
 

Onyx

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It's an interesting update, but since I'm not a Crusader expert, I'm afraid I can't really do a lot to criticise. Sorry!

Thank you.
But didn't you do a Byzantine TL concerning on Byzantium during the Crusades? I thought you'd be an expert on the crusades for that. Oh well, I hope theres someone here on the forums that will help me on the accuracy of this.
 
This is an excellent timeline and I can't wait to see more.

Couple q's:

Barbarossa lived! What's going on in Germany?

What about the Plantagenet empire? Did it keep more of its continental possessions this go around?
 

Onyx

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Barbarossa lived! What's going on in Germany?

Actually, he died in the 1190s during the Third Crusade, so it would be a long time till we see more of him again.

What about the Plantagenet empire? Did it keep more of its continental possessions this go around?

Im having trouble with Christendom during this era though.....
 

Onyx

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Map preview, C.1150's

- Amalric's Rebellion is that Dark Red

- Georgia is Light Brown, Alania is the little peach color on top of Georgia

- Zengids (Blue) are as I said last chapter, raiding and fighting east of
Edessa, they have also gained considerably major influence by taking more land from the Fatimids and the Seljuks

- Fatimids invade east of rhe Sinai, you'll see what I mean, also Al-Hakim
Kaldunashah's influence has begun to expand west.....

- Damascus is now a crusader state

- Whats left of the crusaders are now fighting south, most of them are just renegades and ex-communicates, Zengids will take care of the problem

- Byzantines have taken parts of Cilicia like I said a few chapters ago, still fighting with the Armenians, while they have taken land north from the Turks and Danishmends


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Onyx

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I did, and still am writing a timeline where the first real impact of the POD was a Crusade-less world due to the Byzantines never having to fight the Battle of Manzikert.

So... You do know about the Crusades well enough?

Nevermind, but hey, I just dig and dig into alot of Crusader books, most of them are very hard to study, because they have different info and each, and that only major info on them is around the Third Crusades :p
 

Onyx

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TIS THY TYMLYNE IS BACK FROM INFERNO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes! I did it! Now, if anyone makes this thread alive except me.....



Chapter 10, Hors la loi de Dieu

1152, Jerusalem

Baldwin III parades himself around Jerusalem, wearing Laurel Wreaths on his head proclaiming himself the Ultimate king of Jerusalem, his purpose was to end his Co-Rule with his mother, Melisende. After increasing hostile relations between the two, Baldwin III has demanded Patriarch Bernard of Clairvaux to make him king, this time making him full king of the kingdom, however he refused and Baldwin, nevertheless, paraded the city in his demands of it.

Baldwin III and Melisende began arguing over there rule of the kingdom during the Haute Cour of Jerusalem, it was agreed that they would split the kingdom, Melisende would reign south including Jerusalem, and Baldwin III would reign its northern frontiers, however the two were unhappy of this decision. Among the two factions are Manasses, Constable of Jerusalem, now Melisendes constable due to a breakdown Baldwin III had with him, Baldwin III however had Humphrey of Toron, a more favorable person to the public than Manasses and was selected by himself as being his constable. In the middle of this mess, was Baldwin III's young brother, Amalric. He was the Lord of Jaffa and Ascalon at the time of this, and was fully supportive towards his mother than his older brother (Mainly due to his wanting of being king).

By late 1152, Baldwin's forces invaded Melisende's settlements, even Jerusalem. Melisende, fear of having Jerusalem fall into destruction by its own religion, admits defeat, and was given house imprisonment in King David's Tower. Baldwin declared himself as the Full King of Jerusalem but he had one loose end to finish, his own younger brother Amalric and his constable, Manasses.

Amalric was shocked when his brother imprisoned their own mother (There was a rumor that Melisende favored Amalric than Baldwin) and demanded Baldwin to stand down, however Baldwin's arrogance (Which quickly rose due to his fame in the Second Crusade) led to his suspicions that Amalric was nothing but an usurper to the throne and a thorn to his heir (Amalric was chosen as the heir to the throne, impeding Baldwin's wanting of a child to be his heir), and so plotted to kill him.

Baldwin hired Raynald de Chatillon, a rising general, however, he was brutal, malicious, and violent towards those of his enemies (He was nicknamed as "Raynald les méchants" or, Raynald the Malicious). Baldwin first heard of Raynald when he ordered the massacre of an entire Muslim quarter in Damascus, the only person who did so in command, then he heard of him again when he brutally massacred a Zengid Raiding party that saved the lives of citizens in the towns they were raiding on. He was amazed that such a Dreadful general existed under a Heavenly Kingdom, and allowed him to be in the Kings Court. Baldwin ordered him to attack Amalrics domain (Ascalon and Jaffa) and imprison him with Melisende, in which he will allow Raynald to have Amalrics domain. Along with Raynald were the Templars, a controversy began when the Templars that went along were actually Baldwin's friends and allies, while the other Templars were dejected from the order of attack.

However, Manasses, who fled from Jerusalem and was kept in one of Amalric's castles was in the pathway to Raynald's army. Raynald knew that everyone most likely hated Manasses and that now Humphrey of Torn was the official constable, and in his arrogance and brutal nature, attacked his castle, in which Manasses was imprisoned, never to be seen again. Amalric heard of this incident when the survivors of the attack went to him in Jaffa and told him to flee, taking no chance, he fled into the night.

When Raynald saw Jaffa, they surprisingly surrendered, much to the man's joy, but his joy soon fell into rage when the guards told Raynald a (fake) story of Amalric escaping. When this told to Baldwin, he became so furious and so angry that he said of the following:

"Je déclare mon frère, à partir de ce jour-là, d'être un hors la loi!"
"I declare my brother, from this day forth, to be an outlaw!"

This became a direct order in the entire kingdom, which went very uneasy, since many of whom did not want to imprison or kill the so-called, "Outlaw", but Baldwin did not care, he wanted to him kill his brother in order to secure the kingdom himself. However, in the Tower of King David, Melisende wept bitterly of his declaration and died of grief a few months later her last words heard from her were "Brother against Brother, do they have no regrets?".
Amalric meanwhile, was kept hidden in Tripoli by the help of the old Raymond II of Tripoli, and his young son, Raymond III, the young friendship between the two will be forever lasted as friends and to each other's heir. Raymond II however died in the late months of 1152, sending Raymond III to the throne, but was governed by his mother, Eschiva. While throughout the Holy Land there was disunity with Baldwins actions. Antioch and Edessa could not enter the situation since they were having trouble with the Zengis and Danishmends. Damascus was supportive to Baldwins actions, but did not like the fact that he declared Amalric a traitor and an outlaw, while Tripoli was starting to dislike the fact of Baldwins rule, in overall, the states were mellow of the opinion since it could cause disunity. But the people were different. The Merchant of Acre was angered of Baldwin III causing a disruption to the throne, while others such as Templar Grandmaster Bernard de Tremelay supported the kings action (Due to his friendship with the king).
In 1153, Raynald de Chatillon was given lordship of Jaffa and Ascalon, who later invoked harsh rules impeding on the Muslims, his enforcing of the region angered many of its citizens who rather had someone like Amalric rule over them (Amalric was tolerant to Muslim Faith and other customs). Meanwhile, The Beirut Lordship was having severe riots from the people after Baldwin III placed Rufus of Leonarde (A huge supporter to Baldwins cause), Lord of Beirut, because the Brisbarre family supported Amalric, they were ousted until they moved to Edessa after their usurpation, this caused a great ordeal with the native population on Baldwin. The peace with the Fatimids was tense, Al-Hakim Kaldunashah had much power over the Fatimids and was starting to begin an invasion on Ascalon, Kerak, and much of the southern settlements, however with Raynald now Lord of Ascalon and Jaffa, Al-Hakim took this as an advantage to rid of the Frankish Butcher.

In the Summer of 1153, Amalric, along with Knights from Tripoli and others supporting his cause, rode to Beirut, the citizens were joyous of his return and began rioting against Rufus, who was later executed when Beirut declared itself freed. Amalric declared himself as the rightful ruler of Jerusalem as soon as this was declared, when this was heard to Jaffa, the people became so violent against Raynald's Authority, that they rioted as well, this time, they captured Raynald, but instead of killing him, they put him on a Jackass (A humiliating sign) and took him to Jerusalem. Baldwin III was infuriated of his brother, and soon, an all-out civil war began, it was to be called "The War of Two Brothers" as two sides followed, the Latins (Amalric) were composed of mixes from the Italians, French, and even minorities such as the Druzes or Armenians, while the Franks (Baldwin) was composed of the Templars and the loyal supporters of Baldwin (Most of whom were French, earning their nickname). However the Hospitallers and the other Crusader States saw this as an insane event, since it nearly brought Jerusalem to its destruction, even Knights from Tripoli, Antioch, and other states had to be sent to restore order.

Amalric's forces were scattered however, they were based in Beirut, Jaffa/Ascalon, and much along other settlements such as Galilee and Nablus, however they were supported by many of its native population (Baldwin III favored the Crusader and European Nobles during the Crusade, because of this, he went alongside with the lords of the people that sided with Amalric), among these natives that supported him was the Merchant of Acre, who helped him by giving him amounts of his money. While Baldwin's forces were more territorial superior and had forts and the control of Jerusalem, but there issue with the scattered forces throughout the Holy Land and the key issue of defending the kingdom from Muslim attack was impeding.

The Civil War was however, somewhat short, it only lasted from the Summer of 1153 to the Beginning of 1156. There was hardly any large battles, but mainly skirmishes, however due to the Civil War, Baldwin could not travel anywhere or he would die of a raid therefore impeding marriage, and Amalric had to run form township to township to escape from Templars and other envoys Baldwin sent.

However, somewhere between 1155 and 1156, a large battle between the two happened, the exact date is for some reason unknown (The Merchant of Acre was not there at the time, since he was the only biographer at the time of the war), but according to him, Amalric won the day:

"It was a battle of one blood, one religion, one people, but alas, it was the two of these that fought on that day. I was told from my young friend named William that Amalric won this battle, he said that Amalric brought motivation and hearts to his men and fought by their side, while the natives in this nearby township, flanked Baldwin's army, though suicidal, distracted them from the forces of the Latins. He told me that the False One (Baldwin III, remember, the Merchant was on Amalric's side) was discouraged and coward away, while his forces broke down and even surrendered to his might and offered them redemption for who they are fighting against, they accepted it."
According to sources, it was on December 14th, 1155. Although it has been exaggerated or not, when Baldwin III fled from the battle, nearly of his troops surrendered to Amalric, instead of executing them or ransoming, he offered them redemption and absolution, in which all of them accepted, this day was to become Jour de la rédemption</SPAN></SPAN> or, Day of Redemption, a Pre-Christmas Holiday, in which every Levantine Christian redeem themselves of their sins they committed the previous years.

It was said this battle was fought somewhere near Nablus, but it is unknown, nevertheless, it brought down Baldwins forces by half. Now he begun to lose control of most of the settlements as news of this battle had happened, however it was exaggerated much more so the people can join on Amalric's side. Raynald, Baldwin, and Humphrey of Toron suddenly faced themselves against the threat of utter chaos, if they continue to fight, then the Kingdom would be weakened, thus, giving chance to the Zengids and Fatimids to invade, and even in the slightest improbability and worst of all, they could actually ally together and fight. On Christmas Eve, 1155, Amalric was given consort of meeting with his brother, the two met for the first time since the beginning of the war, Amalric's only demand was to give up his Entire Rule and start a Co-Rule again with him and also give consent and more understanding of the population, Baldwin agreed on this term only if he had a higher share of power and that he would have a heir to rule once the two die, the peace was agreed by the Newest Latin Patriarch, Fulk of Angouleme.

The War of Two Brothers ended on the following day, much to rejoicing and celebration, many have now began to heal wounds from friends, lords, and even family members. However it brought a great damage to the Kingdom, the Fatimids now noticed this weakness after the garrisons in Ascalon, Kerak, and other southern settlements were severely weakened.

Amalric and Baldwin's Rule was however woeful, the two tried to make themselves true brothers again, but they always disagreed on every issue, and whenever each tried to tell a comforting story, the other would be depressed of it. Baldwin got his wish of marriage when he married to Theodora the following year, although only 13, Amalric was actually disgusted by how a man in his aging years (30s) would marry a girl at a very young age, he himself married to Agnes of Courtenay, daughter of Joscelin III of Edessa that year later.

But as the recovery of the kingdom was happening, the "Predecessor of the Egyptian Shirkuh" emerged, Al-Hakim Kaldunashah, finally coming to his sense of beginning the invasion, gave the word that the 12th Imam would be coming as soon as they retake Jerusalem, then the rest of the Crusader states, and finally, all of Arabia. The most biggest force every assembled by the Fatimids came in place. And in 1158, during the Haute Cour of Jerusalem, a report came from Ascalon, that a force "So gigantic and terrifying as the Deluge" came across from Fatimid Egypt.
But unknown to the Fatimids, they're supposed great victory will come at a heavy price, and ultimately their own destruction



I may make a little character sheet on the Merchant of Akko, Amalric, etc.

COMMENTS PLEASE!!!!!! No seriously :p.
 

Sargon

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I am thoroughly enjoying this, a pretty decent Crusader TL here.

I do have some knowledge of this period, and whilst there are a few issues and points within this, they are not enough to affect my enjoyment of what is a very entertaining and welcome story.

It IS a complex period of history (and any look at family trees of the time will further confirm that when all the marriages, changes of reigns and so on pop up), so kudos to you for making a determined attempt to tackle it and write something for us all here. :)


Sargon
 

Onyx

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I am thoroughly enjoying this, a pretty decent Crusader TL here.

Thank you, I'm glad that I choosed a period in which nobody was very interested on the crusades.

I do have some knowledge of this period, and whilst there are a few issues and points within this, they are not enough to affect my enjoyment of what is a very entertaining and welcome story.

No its kay, Im always welcomed with criticism :)

It IS a complex period of history (and any look at family trees of the time will further confirm that when all the marriages, changes of reigns and so on pop up),

Yes I know, it is VERY Complex, I have issues on marriages and families because it was given so few info on them.

so kudos to you for making a determined attempt to tackle it and write something for us all here. :)

Thank you! I am trying my best to gather enough info on the next era, which is why is took along time for these things to post.

A character/bio sheet on the people of this era will be shown soon, if not then I'll post it around the 1180s era
 

Onyx

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This is really good, lots of verisimilitude here.

That means truthful or real right? Well thank you anyway.

I cannot put Ch.11 as of now, Im getting there, but I just cannot do it now with all of this shit flying everywhere in my school life, personal life, etc....

Hopefully, I will never let this TL die, its probably the only Crusaser TL that's been posted on here, though Im given little criticism due to the lack of info on the crusades, I'll just try to dig and dig for any info
 

Onyx

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I apologize those who are Muslim, Arabic, or the latter in the category, since I will write down Arabic writing in this, if it's incorrect, then tell me the correct saying.

Chapter 11, Déception de l'Imam

1158, Gaza

"وقال انه هو الإمام الثاني عشر يجب ان تأتي مرة نتخذ فيها القدس ، وجميع الأراضي المقدسة!
"He who is the Twelfth Imam, shall come once we take Jerusalem, and all of the Holy Land!" the man who is Al-Hakim yells out to his major army of Fatimid Shi'ites, following a large roar of his men. The following day, his major force launches out into Ascalon, the garrison there however, was well supplied with the docks, and had a well enough army to defend the castle for at least a year, the latter castles outside of Ascalon had trouble, the castle in which Manasses was held was overwhelmed, thinking that Manasses was the Constable of Jerusalem (Only that he had been abandoned as Humphrey of Toron became Constable), he disappeared in the Bowels of an Egyptian Prison, never seen again.

The court, now restored, with Amalric and Baldwin III as Co-Rulers, were alarmed by this when the message broke out during the Haute Cour. The two for the first time had to work together in order to defeat a common foe. Then, when Humphrey of Toron was sent out to sally the forces in Ascalon, the garrison at Montreal, reported of a force of the same size as the Fatimids, they also said that the forces overran the southern settlements below them. Worried of stretching their forces to the brink, Baldwin at Amalrics opposition, hired the Rambunctious Raynald de Chatillon to enforce the region (Due to the shortage of men and generals), Patriarch Fulk of Angouleme was sent to the other crusader states along with the other patriarchs of Tripoli, Antioch, and Edessa to discuss of sending forces to help.

However there wasn't enough time for them to come, Ascalon, Montreal, and even far as Kerak, were under siege. Al-Hakim though, was a very patient man, he would let the enemy starve out, then by demoralizing the people inside, sending them to lash out everybody to fight, only to be cut down, a very useful tactic Al-Hakim learned during his time while fighting over the viziers in Egypt. The tactic nearly worked, due to the high Islamic population in Ascalon which during the third day of the siege, many Muslims started to usurp the Rulers in Ascalon, only to fail, and had their flailed bodies hung over the walls. Another issue was that Al-Hakim, though he had a large force, concentrated much on Ascalon and the approaching Jaffa, had minimal forces in Kerak and Montreal, a big problem was trust, because the Fatimid Viziers were attacking each other, there was a lot of untrustworthy people to command, thus, Al-Hakim had to place his own family members as generals and captains, who did not do well as Military Commanders.

By the next few weeks, forces from Tripoli and Antioch came to help Jerusalem, Baldwin III gave command of these forces to his regent, Humphrey of Toron, instead of attacking Ascalon firsthand, made a wise decision in eliminating the forces in Kerak, this would cause the forces in the East and South to collapse with only the Main Force merely attacking Ascalon, it worked however, Humphrey was killed when he was relieving Kerak itself, without Humphrey, the two rulers had no choice but to recruit Raynald as the Lord of Oultrejordan to lead on the defense. Although Raynald was disliked among the court, his tactics of brutality and shock attacks ironically saved Oultrejordan from the Fatimids. The news of this disappointed Al-Hakim, however while Ascalon was under siege, Jaffa was finally reached by the Fatimids, bringing siege to the city, although Oultrejordan was lost, the Fatimids still had a chance by taking along the Levantine coast, if they could take Ascalon and Jaffa.

However in a surprising move, Raynald without orders, demanded to take the southern region or the Aqaba Gulf Coastline, this region had very poor defense and was prone to be invaded, because the breakdown with the Fatimids in Egypt, many of the Sunni locales here were untrustworthy towards there Shi'ite rulers. Although Raynald was eager to take this region under Christian rule, he mainly just wanted to gain it for his reason in Oultrejordan. Raynald made a counter-invasion, and succeeded all the way to Aqaba, the Sunnis broke down and revolted against the Fatimids, only to be cut down by Raynalds forces, when a relief force came, they tried to bring Aqaba to their hands, but failed. The news of this change angered Al-Hakim who is now getting desperate and fearful, Ascalon and Jaffa were too vigilant to fall, many of the Muslims who tried to revolt were executed or silenced, Al-Hakim decided to siege in a final offense, which ended with the Fatimids having more casualties than it was thought of, while the guards still held the Citadel of Ascalon, while in Jaffa, Amalric and his forces finally came after Baldwin III was handling problems in Jerusalem, by day's end, Amalric won the battle and reclaimed Jaffa under his lordship again.

These change of events showed that even if the Fatimids were strong enough to have a force to invade, they suffered through internal conflicts and problems that plagued them for years. The worse yet to come was when Al-Hakim, decided to spearhead the force, in order to bring a moral boost and turn the tide, he brought his main force towards Jaffa and retake it. But Amalric was supposedly told off of this by a traitor, according to sources, he was a corrupted Imam who knew of these plans (Since many Shi'ite Imams were in Al-Hakims meetings) was given a large sum of money if he could tell of the Fatimids plans to counter invade Jaffa. This caused Amalric to ambush Al-Hakims forces along the way, during the battle, Al-Hakim was shot by an arrow, when he tried to retreat back to Ascalon without any care of his wound, he died.

His death sent shockwaves in Fatimid Egypt, nicknaming the event as "The Deception of the Imam", without his support and tactics, the entire army crumbled, Ascalon was later retaken after the remnants of the army left in the siege collapsed. To make matters worse, the Crusaders who were behind there tail, assault Gaza, because the army were exhausted, depleted, and collapsing, Gaza fell and later became a subject to the Templars, instead of the Kingdom losing territory, they gained more territory, taking the Aqaba Coastline, and Gaza.

This failed attack brought the Fatimid Caliphate to the brink of anarchy, the Sunnis and Shi'ite citizens rebelled and revolted against the Caliph, much of the Hejazi coastline was lost due to the losing connection with Aqaba, leaving the Zengids to take it by the following years. But a few months later in Jerusalem, Baldwin III died, supposedly he accidentally taken an overdose of medicine while having an illness and died leaving his young wife Theodora, however he did succeed in having a daughter who he named her: Alice. Without Baldwin, Amalric was given the throne, however many believed that Amalric was the one who poisoned Baldwin, or supposedly, a Fatimid Assassin did it as well. Now as the King of Heaven, his popularity and intelligence brought the kingdom to its beginnings of the Golden Era as the year 1160 began to begin.

But in Cairo, anarchy enveloped, the Fatimid Caliphate merely collapsed, and without the weak state to continue, it was now open for a new nation to rise, Nur ad-Din noticed this, seeing that his Shi'ite foe collapsing, it was time he begin his claim, sending his top commanders, Shawar, Shirkuh, and even Saladin, the Zengids began to arm themselves in the Hejazi ports, the time of the Fatimids were falling, and the rise of a new Caliphate was rising.
 

Sargon

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Another nicely done segment. If people thought things were complex OTL, they're heating up here as well! The Fatimids have ended up in a whole lot of trouble a little earlier here, but it looks like similar people are going to reap the benefits.

Is Amalric still going to marry Maria Comnena later in this TL? Perhaps this time they might have surviving issue. That'd make things fascinating.


Sargon.
 

Onyx

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Another nicely done segment. If people thought things were complex OTL, they're heating up here as well! The Fatimids have ended up in a whole lot of trouble a little earlier here, but it looks like similar people are going to reap the benefits.

I tried to get the Fatimids to live on, but due to what happened during there ending, I guess it was too late for them to survive by the time the crusades arrive.

Is Amalric still going to marry Maria Comnena later in this TL? Perhaps this time they might have surviving issue. That'd make things fascinating.

You just inspired me on that, He previously married to Agnes of Courtenay who gave birth to Sibylla and Baldwin IV, she was anulled though. I might think about this, but the whole family and heraldry lines of nobles back then is way too confusing for me..
 
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