I could see this causing conflict between Bush and the less "humanitarian"-minded people in his own party.
Maybe Gentler, Kinder 2.0 ?
I could see this causing conflict between Bush and the less "humanitarian"-minded people in his own party.
This. The US would more likely try to respond differently to the Hainan incident with the Chinese than try to attack Iraq even if W and some chickenhawks wanted to attack. There was no domestic appetite to go after some nebulous WMDs in 2001 especially since those WMDs surely couldn't be used on CONUS. [mild sarcasm on underlined statement]
The incident did happen in the spring of 2001. However the US and the PRC could decide to continue to probe each other in the SCS later in 2001 as what has been happening since 2015 with the Freedom of Navigation operations there instead of keeping things calm due to the 9/11 attacks.Didn't Hainan Island happen before 9/11? How would 9/11 not happening impact how the Bush administration dealt with the incident differently from OTL?
While the term "Axis of Evil" didn't exist until 2002, Cheney and Rumsfled frequently expressed the views that Bush was expressing in that speech throughout Clinton's Presidency. The Rumsfeld Commision comes to mind.Bush gave Putin notice in December 2001 before his speech writer coined that term.
The people of Iraq, Afghanistan and many other places would have a lot to say about that
This thread seems extremely US-centric to me
Green Day might have to sing about something different.
The IRA disbanded in 1998, well before 9/11.
I know I'm strutting my ignorance here, but, "Y'all Qaida" is new...and wonderful...to me. Good one!Y'all Qaida
religious right would be weaker without post-9/11 patriotic bandwagoningThe Religious Right might be stronger as they wouldn't be seen as having overreached by calling gays, athiests, and pro-choice people "unpatriotic" and claiming that invading Iraq was God's will and they wouldn't be seen as hypocrites if they didn't preach against Islam.
The question is where the POD is for 9/11 not to happen.
Is the 9/11 plot exposed / foiled? Is Al-Qaida weakened / destroyed?
Prior to 9/11 plots were carried out (embassy bombings, USS Cole) and some happened after 9/11 too (London bus, Spanish trains). Wiping out 9/11 does not solve the terror issue. Some other plot would still be probably attempted against the US.