Does Napoleonic Europe Dominate the World?

Hmm, how are you going to get this fifth coaliton? IOTL pussian neede the destruction of the grand armee in russian to go back in, russian got invaded, so did spain. austria stayde out for a long time even after this. In this time line talyard is not in russian tellyin the tsar how weak france is, the army is not slovly bleed out in spain, and it wont be destroyde in russia. Metternich did not what to remove franche doimnas for a russian british one.

So the question stand, what can brittain doe? Its economy is suffering, riots and they have no whay to really hurt the french above finacing its enemys, non who are able to attack effectively.

I think there would be public and violent differences between members of the Imperial elite (Bonaparte family members and Marshals). As in a short civil war/coup before 1810. Tallyrand might even end up being forced out in the "Reform" of the Regency Council. Then he goes to Russia and provides his OTL role.

Russia publicly walks away from the Continental System, Spain is clearly waffling, and Austria doesn't feel that France is going to be have the same success now that Napoleon is gone. Spain publicly breaks with France after being given an ultimatum by the British threatening the end of its American empire. The French decide that they need to make a stand, and invade Spain. This invasion is met with a duel Anglo-Spanish force, commanded by Wellington, who beats back the French invasion.

Austria and Russia now declare war and send armies west. The Prussians sit on the fence, but after the defeat of another French army in Germany they join the Fifth Coalition along with other petty German Kings. The War of the Fifth Coalition lasts for two more years, and ends with Allied troops in France. The French war effort is marred by bickering between Marshals and Bonapartes, and the end of the war comes with a series of betrayals, as Marshals abandon the Emperor and swear alliegence to King Louis XVIII.
 
First Empire France was an authoritarian state, one that was firmly based on French nationalism. I think the industrial development of the Empire would be pretty state-directed, and probably dominated by the current and former Army officers.

But it wasn't in OTL, at least in the early 19th century; and it had a huge amount of support in Northern Italy.

The German ruling classes are going to see a clear way to both maintain their non-liberal political systems and get the sympathy of the their people, and that path is war with France. Some kind of *Bismarck figure is going to rise and lead Germany down that path.

What happened to national socialism?

The UK's going to back any attempt by the German regimes to move against the French Empire. So I think that a unified German war effort against France has a pretty good chance of succeeding at some point (much sooner than OTL) in unifying Germany and liberating French-occupied Germany.

But what German states are you talking about? Westphalia? Baden? Both of them are firm German allies.

Internal revolts failed in 1848, and would do so here.
 
Russia publicly walks away from the Continental System, Spain is clearly waffling, and Austria doesn't feel that France is going to be have the same success now that Napoleon is gone. Spain publicly breaks with France after being given an ultimatum by the British threatening the end of its American empire. The French decide that they need to make a stand, and invade Spain. This invasion is met with a duel Anglo-Spanish force, commanded by Wellington, who beats back the French invasion.

But the Spanish army was a joke, and Wellington is not invulnerable.

Austria and Russia now declare war and send armies west.

Why does Austria join the war? It had a strong fear of Russian hegemony, after all.

Why does anybody want to support Britain when it's clear they're the ones prolonging the war?
 
What treath to france american empier? This is not a defet.
In otl the rinh bud stayed loyal even after the faild invasion of russia. The was not anny greath popular nasjonalist anti french movment. neither in germany,italy or iberia. If godoy breaks whit france, a qucik invasion whil be enough to remove him and place Fernando on the trone, who will have the support of the people. If the briths lande they will face the same problmes france did otl, whit a more difficult supply line and less tropps.

You might get a prussian-russian attack in germany, but france will have its grande armee inntact, austria will stay on the fence untill the out comeis certaine, and in this senario the coaltion will losse. Nappy is gone but the french still have greath comanders and the best army in europe. So prussian is even weaker, russian pulls out and starts fouccesing on swedne and the ottomans, forcing the over stretch britts to either abonde its only allies sweden and scillily, or stopp supporting russia.

The russians have not lost anny terretory to the french, they have acctualy gainde it frome prussia, sweden and tthe ottomans. Russian exspansion into the baltic even treathen the royal navy as this is its maine source of imported materials.
Yes the french will need to cut back on its army size, but not unntile the new order is frim, somthing it really need only to wait for too happen.

And why would industrialsation be state runn in franche? You will see it happenig faster and on a greather scale than in OTL, and britain needs to come to turns, the colonial world and asia are not bigge enough markets for its exsports and its is facing a incressing treat from russia.
 
But the Spanish army was a joke, and Wellington is not invulnerable.

I for one don't believe that the French Imperial ruling class would put the child-Emperor Louis on the throne, but I've apparently been outvoted in this thread, so the Regency Council is what the French have got. This kind of government is inherently unstable. Add in the militarization of French politics and the fact that none of the Bonapartes directly control Army units and I think that you have a recipe for a breakdown of the French Empire from the inside out. Wellington might not be invulernable, but the French are not on top of their game. The Marshals are just as suspicious of each other as they are of the enemy. Everyone is looking out for their own necks. The result is that an effective war can't be waged.

Why does Austria join the war? It had a strong fear of Russian hegemony, after all.

Why does anybody want to support Britain when it's clear they're the ones prolonging the war?

It is ultimately in the rest of Europe's interests to see the Bonapartist French Empire out down. The French Empire circa 1807 is everything that Europe feared about France for over a hundred years come true. It is territorially huge, militarily supreme, and it has vanquished all enemies. The French Empire has unbalanced Europe.

The Austrians want balance and order. The Russians want balance and order. The British want balance and order. The only way to achieve that balance and order to take out the French Empire. With Napoleon dead and the French ruling class fueding, those regimes will act to remove the French hegemony.

I think that the unique nature of the French Empire makes it seem much more of a threat to the European order than any of the other regimes that could potentially replace it. No state had ever been able to reorder Europe the way that Revolutionary and then Napoleonic France had, and that reordering was something that those regimes that remained more or less intact needed to reverse.
 
I for one don't believe that the French Imperial ruling class would put the child-Emperor Louis on the throne, but I've apparently been outvoted in this thread, so the Regency Council is what the French have got.

He wouldn't get on the throne; they'd put one of Bonaparte's brothers, which is entirely different.

I guess my objection is that you're projecting motivations onto the states that weren't there, especially Austria.
 
Still probably putt joseph on the throne, putt murath in napels.
Why would france suffer internal striffe? The marshal owed every thing to bonapart, and they wear handsomly rewarde? And how manny of them casued troubel after the restoration? The only one i can see causing trouble is Bernadot, but hes off in sweden.

And napoleonic france si giving austria and russian peace and stabilety, prussia is the only continetal power really hurrting, buit arent able to doe much. Britain is the war monger her.
 
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