Dixie Divided: Unionist states carved out after the ACW

Let us not forget that splitting a state in two doubles its representation in the Senate.

Exactly, which is why I said the Republicans would want to carve the maxiimum number of Unionist states that they could. They would also try and make as few "lost cause" (for the want of a better phrase) states as possible. They would want to lump the "lost causers" together as much as possible.
 
Let us not forget that splitting a state in two doubles its representation in the Senate.

No it doesn't. There are now two states where once there was one - ergo two separate sets of senators for two separate states. There is no guarantee that they will vote in unison.
 
I always thought about this when Gov. Perry made that mistake about Texas having the right to leave The Union (When as we all know it had the right to subdivide.)
When the south seceded wouldn't any rules set when they were initially admitted have been null & voided when they seceded? That for example The TX, VA, GA, etc that exist now are not the same TX, VA, GA that existed in 1860?

You are right. I think that Texas' 'right' to subdivide was forfeited upon secession and readmission to the Union - if it actually existed at all to begin with.
 

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I am assuming that in certain other places black majority states would also emerge in this scenario

Given "radical republicans" were in control, yes they'd fuck over the south any way they can - probably to the extent of black republics (member states) and arming them for self-determination. Meaning something approaching the BS in Birth of a Nation is some highly exxagerated shit, but not completely ludicrous.
 
I have some of this in my Up With the Star timeline in that East Tennessee becomes the state of Franklin while West Virginia comes into existence same as OTL. Mining becomes a key component of the economies of both states and both develop a strong and mutually reinforcing connection to their Unionist ancestors. The state of Franklin has its capital at Knoxville.
 
No it doesn't. There are now two states where once there was one - ergo two separate sets of senators for two separate states. There is no guarantee that they will vote in unison.

Since we are talking about dividing up Unionist enclaves to make more seats in most cases you likely would see it. Also since there would be considerably more sympathy for those areas than the rest of the South they would likely get more reconstruction money than the rest of the South. Northerners would come down with it which would provide more votes.
 
That would be interesting. Having S. Carolina dismembered and incorporated into Georgia and N. Carolina and then carving out another 'Appalachian' state from Tennessee, N. Carolina and Georgia. Then splitting Texas into two or three states. It would certainly fuck over the established order in a lot of the southern states and would greatly diminish their influence in modern times as the Appalachian states would most likely not be nearly as sympathetic to stuff like Jim Crow and such later on.
 
Given "radical republicans" were in control, yes they'd fuck over the south any way they can - probably to the extent of black republics (member states) and arming them for self-determination. Meaning something approaching the BS in Birth of a Nation is some highly exxagerated shit, but not completely ludicrous.

They probably couldn't get away with that as there were too many racists up north. They could get away with gerrymandering some "planter areas" and make sure voting rights are enforced for Blacks to round out some of the states. The newly freed Blacks were certain to vote Republican.
 
That would be interesting. Having S. Carolina dismembered and incorporated into Georgia and N. Carolina and then carving out another 'Appalachian' state from Tennessee, N. Carolina and Georgia. Then splitting Texas into two or three states. It would certainly fuck over the established order in a lot of the southern states and would greatly diminish their influence in modern times as the Appalachian states would most likely not be nearly as sympathetic to stuff like Jim Crow and such later on.

Several states in Applachia and other areas. The Republicans would want as many states as they can get away with in those areas. You would very like see less states in the rest of the South. You could see GA and Fl merge in this TL.
 
yes please do so.
Here. It was created by Jman.

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The map makes no sense. KY was a Union state and there would be no reason or backing to divide it same thing with Missouri. Why is Maryland under occupation? It was a Union State as well.
This map is from the mind of a man living in an Southern Victory world. That is all I know.
 
The map makes no sense. KY was a Union state and there would be no reason or backing to divide it same thing with Missouri. Why is Maryland under occupation? It was a Union State as well.
Plus the Loyal Kentucky was the portion that "The Orphan Brigade" of the CSA came from and the parts of Kentucky that are joined with Tennessee are the Unionist portions,more or less.:D
 
Could there be a Texan successor state centered around the German immigrants? And henceforth the federal government encourages German immigration there to keep the state unionist and anti-slavery.
 
Would it make sense, demographically?

What other groups in the South would be not only ideologically but culturally and economically against slavery? The Appalachian whites, of course. How about French Cajuns?
 
Would it make sense, demographically?

What other groups in the South would be not only ideologically but culturally and economically against slavery? The Appalachian whites, of course. How about French Cajuns?

The Austin area was pretty Unionist so something could be carved out there. I don't know enough about the Cajouns. Maybe someone else here knows.
 
I am assuming that in certain other places black majority states would also emerge in this scenario

If relatively anti-slavery or pro-union areas are carved off of the former confederate states, wouldn't the remainders contain substantially larger proportions of blacks by default? If one splits off "East Tennessee" and "West-North Carolina" from their parent states, what does the demography look like in such examples?

It seems at least one black-majority state could be quite possible by consequence or by design.
 
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