Dixie: A Confederate Victory TL

It's also because of past actions. The guy who was kicked trolled a thread about America getting a socialist president by replying about how Roosevelt was a socialists "who never bothered to tell anyone".

Ah. For trolling it's fine, but I think this one was uncalled for.
 
For a First Time line you have picked one of the hardest ones to do.

1861

Confederate Soldiers arrived at Fort Sumter demanding the Union forces occupying the fort be turned over to the Confederacy instead of turning it over the Union forces fired upon the Confederate Soldiers massacring them, the Civil War had begun, a few months later the first major battle of the War, the First Battle of Bull Run resulted in a Confederate Victory, realizing the War could not begin alone the CS sent diplomats to Britain and France telling them that the Union fired first and that the South was fighting for Independence and States rights, not Slavery, this convinces the British and French to join the war on the Confederacy's side, British and French troops deployed in Canada invading the Union via Niagara Falls and Windsor Canada, the British defeated the Union forces in the Battle of Detroit occupying the city, the British and French forces also won the Battle of Buffalo taking that as well, the distraction allowed the Confederacy to invade the United States encircling Washington DC


I think you will need more than Union force firing first and massacring CSA troops to get the British and French on the CSA side.

1. The British needed to import Wheat from the Union is more needed than cotton from the CSA, British were short of food in the 1860 and the weather was bad in europe leading to poor harvests.

2. For the British and French to intervene they would need to see the Union as a threat to them.

3. Slavery in the CSA is going to make siding with the CSA very unpopular.

4. A CSA victory leaves the British with the long term problem of defending Canada.

Without using time travel or some other asb stuff I cannot see how it can be done.


1862

British,French,and Confederate Forces obliterated the Union forces at Gettysburg, The Union forces kept fighting however, President Lincoln declared in the famous Gettysburg Address that he would unite the nation and punish the European Powers for their involvement in the war, this was an empty promise, the fast Confederate advancement accumulated in the Battle of Washington DC it was a Confederate Victory, no members of the Union Government were captured as they went into hiding, an emergency session of Congress was convened in a secret location, they decided to surrender to the Confederacy,

The best help the British and French could give would be at sea. Keeping the ports open and supplying the CSA with the arms and other stuff they need to win.

1863

The Treaty of London was signed its terms were

The Union would recognize the Confederacy and its right to Independence

The Union would pay war reparations to the CS

The European Powers will withdraw from American territory

Kentucky is ceded to the CS will the CS cedes territory in Western Virginia to the Union

I think 1863 is too early to end the war. I union would have fought a lot longer.
I think the British and French would have wanted a free trade agreement.
Reparations are a bad idea unless you want the losing side to try to fight the war again 20 years later.

Assuming this works the CSA is now dependant to the British and French to keep it independent.

1864

The first Presidential election in the US after the civil war resulted in a flat out Democratic victory after former Republican President Abraham Lincoln was defeated by Democrat George B. McClellan, the Republican's lost the election due to the loss in the Civil War being blamed on the Republican's, George B. McClellan admitted Nevada and Utah (After the Mormons agreed to end Polygamy) as states in 1864 and 1866 respectively, though McClellan's Presidency was uneventful mostly,the Union would continue to settle in the West and the population in the West was starting to rival the East, An emergence of a new party would start in response to the Confederacy, the Socialist Party was formed by Western radicals unhappy with the South winning the Civil War, they felt that the Republicans let Americans down in the War, and the Democrats were secretly sympathizers with the Confederacy, they called for another War with the South and to reshape the South's political views and their way of life.

A Triumphant Confederacy would have its elections in 1866, the difficulty of starting a new nation would soon whimper with the the Virginia Act signed in 1865, this would start the construction of factories,railroads,and other industry in the Upper South while keeping the way of life in the Lower South, as for Slavery, President Jefferson Davis would state in a speech that slavery is a part of the way of life in the CS and would remain with the Confederacy for a long time,Robert E Lee would be a major critic of Jefferson Davis saying that the South had fought for a Way of Life and States Rights, not Slavery and the Slavery would be unnecessary and morally wrong, the Election of 1866 would pit Democrat Alexander Stephens against Robert E Lee of the Abolitionist Party, Alexander Stephens would win the presidency and Slavery would continue in the South, Stephens resumed international slave trade much to the anger of European nations, they would send Confederate Soldiers and Merchants to trade with African tribes for slaves,All 3 Parties in the US would call this a travesty, it seemed like another war was soon to happen.

Who built the factories and how did they pay for them?
The CSA constitution would not allow the Federal government to do this.
So the private sector would need to do this, and why would they do this when it was cheap to import factory goods and pay for them with cotton tobacco and rice. etc.

Socialist Party? I cannot see that starting in the west.
Maybe in the east coast?
I think the republicans would go for a new deal type plan before the America would go socialist.

Why resume the slave trade? That would only cause problem with the French and the British.
Picking a fight with the British and French would be the end of the CSA.
Slave trade is banned by the CSA constitution and I do not think that would be easy to change.
Also it would lower the price of slaves in the CSA and than to not be liked by the people who already own slaves.
The issue of slavery I think would be handled state by state not at a federal level in the CSA.
 
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If the postulation can't meet the rigorous demands of the Before 1900 forum, why not just voluntarily move any Confederate victory TL to ASB or the Writer's Forum? If you're looking to tell a good story, it shouldn't matter where the thread is actually located--and you won't have to jump through as many hoops in ASB or whatnot.

Because the Writer's Forum doesn't have enough viewers to appreciate the author's genius.:rolleyes:
 
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