Divided China

Manchuria (Soviet puppet), PRC (Northern China), and ROC (Southern China). There you go. If Chiang Kai-shek gets some more support or the Japanese suck a little more, then this outcome is fairly plausible.
 
It sorta was until 1950 or so.

Tibet, Nationalist China, and Communist China


Well, Tibet was destined to be eaten up by the winner.

If you manage to turn the Chinese Civil War into a Korean type situation(US and Soviets openly intervening on behalf of their respective side), you could very well see some sort of negotiated peace dividing China.
 
Manchuria, North China, South China, and East Turkmenestan are vaguely possible in a TL where the Chinese Communists do poorly and are hung out to dry by the Soviets.
 
With a POD after the Japanese surrender keep China divided into at least 3 nations

Really isn't that difficult. Arguably is two nations already.

different chain of events in 1945 leads to the soviets establishing a puppet state in manchuria, where the communists flee after being defeated in the civil war (alternativly, keep manchuria, but have a seperate PRC nearby). Nationalists consolidate ROC in china proper (in the short term, it might even be possible to fragment this state into multiple entities). Tibet stays independent, giving you your third nation (nationalist exhaustion and western pressure).
 
Well the Chinese Civil War could have turned out different. There are (in my terminology) three civil war (in general) outcomes. American, Chinese and Korea. In America Type Civil War, the seperatists/rebels are eventually defeated and the nation goes back to normal. In China Type Civil War, the speratists/rebels win and take over most of the country. In Korea Type Civil War, the war ends in a stalemate and two countires (or more) counties emerge.

Here is a map of China if The Chinese Civil War went along the lines of Korea.

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Paul MacQ

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Well basically get Marshals negotiations in place and antebellum before the Nationalist Offensives Both sides thought they could win. But Both have major problems in Power projection.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/111803/China/71834/Civil-war-1945-49

The Nationalists wasted there best forces in an Offensive, Give a few years despite the Norths greater access to originally getting more of the Industries and coal and oil. I can see in just a few years the will to fight reduced.

I can Imagine the Nationalist South doing well and imagines a Taiwan like Industrialist Post war growth given the size and scale becoming a major power. Does this Take the position Economic position of Japan had in late 1960s, till before the Great economic growth of Current Chinese power house.

Also can see the Nationalists having less will and more wanting to keep on the side of the West staying out of Tibet already mentioned.

Side effects like a different situation in in Korea. and a much smaller Communist China.

There is allot of Western Post war weapons that can go to keep China supplied dirt cheap and if they can manage to keep close relations with the US, can see a Southern China becoming the Main bulwark in Asia against Communism.

Now how this effects Japan with no Korean war to become a Major base and getting less support rebuilding Infrastructure and what happens in Vietnam ??,

This would cause Major Butterflies and a very Different Asia pacific.
 
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Well the Chinese Civil War could have turned out different. There are (in my terminology) three civil war (in general) outcomes. American, Chinese and Korea. In America Type Civil War, the seperatists/rebels are eventually defeated and the nation goes back to normal. In China Type Civil War, the speratists/rebels win and take over most of the country. In Korea Type Civil War, the war ends in a stalemate and two countires (or more) counties emerge.

Here is a map of China if The Chinese Civil War went along the lines of Korea.

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This is basically impossible. Both territories span both sides of the Yangtze and Yellow River, and Communists control most of the plains and Nanjing, while the Nationalists control much of the interior.
 
With a POD after the Japanese surrender keep China divided into at least 3 nations

*Republic of Formosa (台湾民主国; literally "Democratic State of Taiwan"): 228 Incident goes even more horribly wrong than in OTL, which fuels a successful Taiwan independence movement that drives the ROC out. This Taiwan becomes pro-Japanese and pro-American to a degree that would shock even Americans, with a constitution that is a blend of the post-WW2 Japanese constitution and the US constitution. Taiwan would also be extremely anti-Chinese to the extent that the Koreas and Chinas are anti-Japanese, possibly to the point where Chinese characters are replaced by POJ, an orthography using the Latin alphabet in a manner similar to Vietnamese (though probably modified to a degree). Formosa here would be Taiwan and the Pescadores at minimum.
*People's Republic of China: Manchuria is the core area; might be possible of adding in a few eastern areas of Inner Mongolia
*Republic of China: Everywhere else

Simple and easy.
 
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A negotiated peace with Japan for whatever reason could very well lead to Manchukuo, People's Republic of China, Jingwei China(Beijing and the surronding area), Nationalist China, Xianjang and Tibet all being independent.
 
A negotiated peace with Japan for whatever reason could very well lead to Manchukuo, People's Republic of China, Jingwei China(Beijing and the surronding area), Nationalist China, Xianjang and Tibet all being independent.

And as for Formosa?
 
A negotiated peace with Japan for whatever reason could very well lead to Manchukuo, People's Republic of China, Jingwei China(Beijing and the surronding area), Nationalist China, Xianjang and Tibet all being independent.
2 things about that are 1. No one really likes the PRC. 2. Xianjang was pretty much a Soviet Puppet anyways.
 
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