Dismantled Prussia: effect on Patriot Revot

If Prussia collapsed in the Seven Year's War, losing East Prussia to Russia, Silesia to Austria, Pomerania to Sweden and a rump Brandenburg, what would have been the impact on the Patriot Revolt a few decades later?

If there's no Prussia to put down the Patriots, would another power have intervened? Would the French, British or Austrians have got involved?
 
difficult to say as it would mean that the side prussia was on lost, the big question would be what would the effects be on britain. Them losing also means that Austria was on the winning side, very likely William V would not have married Wilhemina of prussia, but some other royalty, so he would have found allies anyways.

The big question would be if the patriotten movement would even come into existence because with prussia collapsing what would be the fate of hannover?
Would the british keep a hold of it or lose it? The one i could see that after losing the european battles they would be more forceful (to prevent another defeat) in putting down the american revolt, therefor preventing the patriotten movement to come into existence (at least not in the same way as otl).
France being on the winning side might postpone the french revolution a little.

It all depends how it all started, if it was because the Netherlands decided to jump in on the winning side (with france, austria etc) I could see them trying to annex part of hannover (east-frisia) and the german territories that were more or less dutch speaking, like rhineland etc).

all in all, there is a good chance the patriotten movement might not exist in its otl form if it existed at all.
 
The POD is Prussia collapsing in the East but the battles going the same way everywhere else. i.e. the French get turfed out of Hannover.
 
It really depends on what happens after the war in the rest of the world. Does France annexes the Southern Netherlands, what happens in America (the American revolution was a big inspitation of the patriots). Personally I think apatriotlike movement is bound to happen. The political history of the Dutch republic was basicly the struggle of supporters of the stadholders and opponents of him. But the aftermath of the seven year wars could really change the political situation in the Netherlands. People are far more likely to support the stadholders if France is a threat (which it is if it occupies the southern Netherlands).
 
It really depends on what happens after the war in the rest of the world. Does France annexes the Southern Netherlands, what happens in America (the American revolution was a big inspitation of the patriots). Personally I think apatriotlike movement is bound to happen. The political history of the Dutch republic was basicly the struggle of supporters of the stadholders and opponents of him. But the aftermath of the seven year wars could really change the political situation in the Netherlands. People are far more likely to support the stadholders if France is a threat (which it is if it occupies the southern Netherlands).

Yes, the French would get the Southern Netherlands. Presumably, that would mean that the French would become a bigger bogey man than the English. Would that mean the Patriots wouldn't become pro-French?
 
Yes, the French would get the Southern Netherlands. Presumably, that would mean that the French would become a bigger bogey man than the English. Would that mean the Patriots wouldn't become pro-French?
Good question. I don't know. Part of the reason that the patriots opposed the British was that the British supported the stadholder. There are two possibilities. The patriots are less anti-British or the patriots are still pro-French, but less people support them in fear of the French. My guess would be the last one. The stadholder often got more support out of fear of the French. It is (one of) the reason why both the stadholderless periods ended.
 
If Prussia got dismembered, Austria may pull off the Belgium-Bavaria exchange they thought about IOTL. But then, they had promised France a part of Belgium (maybe the bit Louis XIV took for a while?), so this may not be enough.

And what would happen to Hanover?
 
If Prussia got dismembered, Austria may pull off the Belgium-Bavaria exchange they thought about IOTL. But then, they had promised France a part of Belgium (maybe the bit Louis XIV took for a while?), so this may not be enough.

And what would happen to Hanover?

The promised France all of Belgium, albeit as an independent state, so would need something to swap for Bavaria.
 
With Prussia out, the Hapsburgs will get some kind of exchange done. I don't know whether the French get all of the Austrian Netherlands, if so the Austrians still have Vorderösterreich, which they wanted to exchange IOTL as well. At least some parts of Bavaria will go to Austria in exchange for something else.

Additionally, the Prussians IOTL prevented Austrian expansion on the Balkans. At least one more joint war of the Austrians and Russians against the Ottomans will happen, and with no Prussia to intervene I think Austria will expand once more. Belgrade will likely be Austrian soon, and then Bosnia is also a likely goal within the next years even if the alliance with Russia ends (which will also happen soon). The Austro-Russian dynamic should also become more interesting since there likely won't be any Polish partitions and Austria will likely be backing the Saxony-Poland.

By the way: would there be a land connection between Poland and Saxony ITTL?

Finally, Europe returning to a balance of powers with 4 powers will mean that the Hapsburg-French opposition reemerges over influence and expansion in Italy and the Reich. That may also lead to more annexations of German territories into Austria, as I see Bavaria on the French side in this.
 
By the way: would there be a land connection between Poland and Saxony ITTL?

I don't think so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:7yearswar.PNG

Finally, Europe returning to a balance of powers with 4 powers will mean that the Hapsburg-French opposition reemerges over influence and expansion in Italy and the Reich. That may also lead to more annexations of German territories into Austria, as I see Bavaria on the French side in this.
I'm not sure. Austria has already ditched Britain as an unreliable ally and wouldn't feel very confident about returning back. Meanwhile, with Britain's increasing power, France would rather not have to deal with Austria also. I can imagine a French-Austrian versus British-Russian alliance system. Although this could be complicated by Austrian and Russian co-operation against Turkey.
 
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