Still waiting for any evidence whatsoever.
Why does this complaint invariably come from people about mysterious and vague offenses which they apparently never bothered to inform the admin about?
Discussion on Terrorism, September 11th and what could have happened
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Still waiting for any evidence whatsoever.
Why does this complaint invariably come from people about mysterious and vague offenses which they apparently never bothered to inform the admin about?
I just discovered that for some reason the search engine is barfing on the words "america" or "american". I'll try rebuilding the search information and see if that makes a difference. It will take a while.
Burton K Wheeler
Moderator
The whole allegation that the 'people' in charge have some kind of mysterious 'left-wing' bias and ban those who disagree can be traced back to Mike Collins, another person who never once attempted to intelligently defend his views. The fact is, for whatever reason, we've had a few 'right-wing' trolls and flamers, and very few comparable people with opposing views. Rest assured, were someone to oppose the Bush administration with the same methods that Aldroud, Roedecker, or Street Disciple defended it, they'd be banned just as fast.
Aldroud was kicked twice, each time completely justified (advocating torturing and murdering insurgents in the Middle East and gratuitously insulting someone during an otherwise civil debate). He was completely out of line a third time here, and got banned. What's not fair?
Okay this is probably a dumb question, but ... could the search engine be barfing on america and american because of the sheer density of the word's appearance? I mean that it appears so often that the search engine has a tantie?
Search database was corrupted. I've got an automated repair going. You may now search for america, although you won't find all uses of it until the process is complete.
Aluminumclad has been unbanned. Turns out he's not a sock puppet.
I was a bit reluctant, because he seems to believe that calling for the mass slaughter of random cities in the middle east is just "expressing an opinion" and that it's just the same as undefined "anti-Americanism". Plus good ol' left wing people get away with more but I won't provide a shred of evidence.
I was a bit reluctant, because he seems to believe that calling for the mass slaughter of random cities in the middle east is just "expressing an opinion" and that it's just the same as undefined "anti-Americanism". Plus good ol' left wing people get away with more but I won't provide a shred of evidence.
Well....
Here, you jumped on midgard for expressing his nationalistic views. He really didn't say anything about them being a threat to our way of life, yet, from this thread you sound biased against people who want to put America first. And don't get any ideas that I think my arguments weak if i don't respond. I've been quite busy with school and other things lately, and I only stopped going here frequently, because I figured I had better things to do than it for hours in front of a computer.
If the rest of you don't know what I'm talking about, type "Poverty and Immigration" in the search engine. It should come up
You DO realize there is a difference between me expressing my opinion in an argument and me warning/kicking someone as the administrator, right? If I think someone's breaking the rules, I'm pretty clear about simply telling them they're being out of line, that kind of behavior doesn't belong here, etc. I'm not the kind of admin to kick people for arguing with me.
Still waiting on any of those left-wing posters who break the rules and get away with it. I can think of a few left wing posters who've been repeatedly offensive, and coincidentally enough they've been repeatedly kicked.
I would have to agree that you generally can seperate your personal opinions from your management of the site, but I think that the fact that you are outspoken in your opinions on many issues can inevitably cause accusations of bias. Not much that can be done to prevent it though, aside from switching from an active member of the board to a silent, impartial looming supervisor, which hardly strikes me as enjoyable.
[quoteChangar Quordath]I would have to agree that you generally can seperate your personal opinions from your management of the site, but I think that the fact that you are outspoken in your opinions on many issues can inevitably cause accusations of bias. Not much that can be done to prevent it though, aside from switching from an active member of the board to a silent, impartial looming supervisor, which hardly strikes me as enjoyable.[/quote]
Ian, the last time I checked wasn't paticularly active, except in Chat a little, but I know what you're sayinh. I still think there's a little bias, but i can tell he doesn't go around chucking right-wing members.
Leo Caesius
Banned
Did Ian misrepresent Midgard's views by saying that he considered illegal immigration to be "a threat to our way of life?" I could swear that Midgard himself has said this once or twice (and maybe even designed a TL around the idea). If that's the case, I really don't see what the problem is. I mean, how can you accuse someone of "bias" if he is accurately characterizing someone's argument?
One thing I've seen on other sites, as well as on NWN servers, is the Admins or DMs have one account for Admin/DM stuff and one for personal/player stuff. Everyone who has been on the site/server for any length of time knows who has what accounts, but it is an effective fiction. 'Ian the Admin' is the Administrator, objective and all powerful. 'Ian from the Bay' is just another member.
Eh, long-time members would be able to figure out who was behind the pseudonym even if I didn't tell them (and don't hesitate to argue with me anyway). I doubt my sporadic posting in chat is much noticed by casual readers anyway - it would be more of an issue if I posted lots and lots. The posters have seemed to incense the "left-wing bias" crowd the most are the likes of Hendryk, Leo, and Dr. What.
Which I think tells you what they're really threatened by, because these people post "left-wing stuff" frequently but are also quite civil and calm.
Frankly this smacks of people ranting about a "vast left-wing conspiracy". The people complaining about lefties getting more lenient treatment *don't report the alleged posts*, and are always conspicuously silent when I ask for examples.
The point is not to try and hide who you are, it is to demarcate when you are speaking as an admin and when you are speaking as an individual. As I said, I have found it to be a useful fiction in other circumstances.
And I think you greaty underestimate the impact of your posts. You ARE the admin and this is your board. I consider myself one of those 'casual readers' and you are one of the few people that I try to read every post. I can not say I agree with everything you write, but it is always interesting to get the admin's point of view and usually worth reading for it's own sake.