Discussion on Terrorism, September 11th and what could have happened

[Hendryk]

George Bush is in the White House and all is right with my world.

So you never tire of reminding us. Yeah, all is right with your world--little matter that OBL is still at large (remember him?), that Iraq is in the throes of civil war, or that the Taliban are slowly clawing back their way to power in Afghanistan. George Bush is in the White House, who cares about the rest?

If you seek to use my words, please use them precisely. I said I was a libertarian fascist. Let me spell that out for you: Libertarian-------a great deal of the political spectrum-----fascism.

There's a lot to be said about the kind of people who claim to be libertarian, and then throw their support for the most authoritarian administration the US has ever known, but little of it is nice.

And while we've seen plenty of evidence that you do indeed qualify as the fascist you claim to be, we're still waiting for the libertarian part.

 

[Aldroud]

*meekly tucks his tail between his legs and shuffles off to work at the military-industrial complex where he'll spend the day stuffing ballot boxes*


Actually, the puppy is throwing up right now and as much fun as this is, I gotta go.

 

[The Ubbergeek]

And here is a messed up fascist.

The terrorist is YOU.

God help America if you represent it - because I'd have no pity.

You are the fanatical breathen to Le Pen and all.

 

[Floid]

Actually, the puppy is throwing up right now and as much fun as this is, I gotta go.

Okay, but since this is probably going to be the last time you're here, I'd like to say goodbye. I hope the dog is well.

 

[The Ubbergeek]

Le monde est une vraie porcherie
Les hommes se comportent comm'des porcs
De l'élevage en batterie
A des milliers de tonnes de morts
Nous sommes à l'heure des fanatiques
Folie oppression scientifique
Nous sommes dans un état de jungle
Et partout c'est la loi du flingue
Prostitution organisée
Putréfaction gerbe et nausée
Le Tiers-Monde crève les porcs s'empiffrent
La tension monte, les GI's griffent
Massacrés dans les abattoirs
Br-lés dans les laboratoires
Parqués dans les citées-dortoir
Prisonniers derrière ton parloir
Et au Chili les suspects cuisent
Dans les fours du gouvernement
En Europe les rebelles croupissent
Dans les bunkers de l'isolement
Un homme qui éclate en morceaux
Dynamité par des bourreaux
Des singes conduits ... la démence
Beethov' devient ultra-violence
D'un côté l'système monétaire
De l'autre l'ombre militaire
Tout fini en réglement d'comptes
A coup de schlagues le sang inonde

Flic-Armée Porcherie
Apartheid Porcherie
Dst Porcherie
Et Le Pen Porcherie

Grouene grouene gronch
Grouic grom grouic
Grouinc grouinc......

-'Porcherie', Les Berurier Noir

 

[Doctor What]

See, this is the part I love about liberals. Don't discuss the argument/counter-argument, take the other position to absurd extremes. Please point to anywhere in my posts I said I advocated nuking a random Islamic country.

Your exact words were:

If the planes had hit around 11 AM or if the initial reports of 15k+ dead were accurate, I wonder if we would have vaporized a city or two.

And you must be either truly moronic or a borderline psychopath if you actually considered this to be anything resembling a viable option.

I second all the comments that people are making--I am truly happy that there are people like Baldie or Matt in the U.S. military, cause God help us all if there are more like you then them.

While it has been amusing having you here on this board, I for one am not going to miss you when you are finally banned from here.

Adios Aldroud.

 

[rewster]

A cruise missile is not a weapon of mass destruction, unless it has a nuclear, biological, or chemical payload. Mass destruction denotes a city-wide scale, not a single building... no matter how big.
There still is no target for a nuke, because the nature of terrorist cell organizations is that they are not confined to any single area. They have, thus, circumvented the spectre of nuking, because we will not willingly nuke an entire city to hit a suspected cell in hiding. Therefore, we have to come up with something better than nuking, which is what they are trying to pass the Iraq war off as being.
I think special forces would have been the way to go, but alas. It was not to be.

 

[Aluminumclad]

Your exact words were:



And you must be either truly moronic or a borderline psychopath if you actually considered this to be anything resembling a viable option.

I second all the comments that people are making--I am truly happy that there are people like Baldie or Matt in the U.S. military, cause God help us all if there are more like you then them.

While it has been amusing having you here on this board, I for one am not going to miss you when you are finally banned from here.

Adios Aldroud.

Actually, his words were 'I wonder if...', not 'I advocated', or 'I would have'. All Aldroud did was state an opinion, not announce national policy.

But since it's my first post here after lots of visits, I do have a question that perhaps someone could educate me on:

It seems like any post or opinion that's anti-American is allowed to go on and encouraged, but if an American or someone pro-American posts, everybody jumps on him. What's the deal with this? Everyone else here evidently live in nations that have never made any mistakes or pursued ill-advised policies in their histories. I'm impressed!

Don't want to troll, but if someone wants to help out with an answer, I'd really appreciate it!

Also, should I have used a username like neuteral_neuteral? Nah, I can spell (kinda)...

 

[Aldroud]

Puppy's okay. (Thanks for caring) She got into the shower and ate the loufa and I guess there was soap still on it. Guess she'll not do that again.

One thing that truely disturbs me about you people is that it is you using the perjorative terms, not I. Think about that, why don't you?

Those ragheads are all the same.

camel-jockeys

hmm

 

[The Ubbergeek]

Far-right-sounding posts are not allowed here. Ian HATE nazi thugs.

You have not read all of his mesages, do you?

And anti-americanism, those days, it have some truth. Look at the Bushmen.

 

[Floid]

I smell a sockpuppet.

 

[The Ubbergeek]

Puppy's okay. (Thanks for caring) She got into the shower and ate the loufa and I guess there was soap still on it. Guess she'll not do that again.

One thing that truely disturbs me about you people is that it is you using the perjorative terms, not I. Think about that, why don't you?





hmm

Who care? They use them to mock your real ideas, facho.

Remember, the youth say fuck you to Le Pen, to quote les Berurier Noir.

 

[Aldroud]

No Floid, I don't resort to such tactics. I was truely surprised to see Aluminumclad. Glad to see him welcomed with such open arms.

 

[Aldroud]

Remember, the youth say fuck you to Le Pen, to quote les Berurier Noir.

Do please pardon my ignorance, I assure you it is not intentional.

Who are Le Pen and les Berurier Noir?

Perhaps you could answer that question without personal insults?

 

[Aluminumclad]

I smell a sockpuppet.

Me? Quite real, actually, thanks.

 

[Derek Jackson]

Had AQ managed equivalant evil destruction without suicide (I am not going to speculate on specifics but well...

Would it have had a smaller or bigger impact on the US?

Obviously there would be actual perpetrators to seek to capture

 

[The Ubbergeek]

Do please pardon my ignorance, I assure you it is not intentional.

Who are Le Pen and les Berurier Noir?

Perhaps you could answer that question without personal insults?

And why should we respect you, honestly? You seems to be one of those military guy who have an hard on for nukes.

 

[Doctor What]

Actually, his words were 'I wonder if...', not 'I advocated', or 'I would have'. All Aldroud did was state an opinion, not announce national policy

First --welcome to the board.

Second--his full quote was:

I am shocked and somewhat disappointed we did not retaliate with at least one nuclear devise. Prattle about where to detonate it, I don't truely care. Nothing says don't fuck with me like a mushroom cloud and if ever there was a case to use one, 9/11 was it. You hit us with a weapon of mass destruction, we hit right back. Seems we held back and thus encouraged resistance.

Sure--it's an opinion and everyone here is entitled to an opinion. We know it's not national policy. Aldroud seems to be rather shocked however that a lot of people are freaking out over his rather extreme suggestion. Like Flocc said--a tactical nuke on OBL's training camps/hideouts would have been an extreme but somewhat logical response--he was musing about nuking a city or two. Not even in the same ballpark IMO (and many others here)

One thing that truely disturbs me about you people is that it is you using the perjorative terms, not I. Think about that, why don't you?

hmm

Hint Aldroud--turn on your sarcasm meter.....

 

[Aldroud]

And why should we respect you, honestly? You seems to be one of those military guy who have an hard on for nukes.

Because, strange tho it may be, I have tried to do nothing but show respect for you and your opinions. I disagree with the majority, but I have ever tried to maintain a civil tone (okay, I've lost it a few times, but by far far less than others here).

I think one difference between us is that I don't hate my opponents. Hate leads to irrational behavior and ill-reasoning. I think you enjoy the hate so much it blinds you.

 

[Nicole]

Aldroud's posts are shocking, but I think that certain members of the board are blowing it even more out of proportion so they can condemn him...